Thread: Illegal aliens or islam , which is the real war?

Or are both of them tearing us apart

Thousands of rowdy protestors with dueling agendas converged on Lower Manhattan today, using the spotlight of 9/11 as a showcase for the Ground Zero mosque debate.

Both sides drew large, boisterous crowds with about 3,000 pro-mosque demonstrators marching from City Hall to the Federal Building and 2,500 anti-mosque protestors rallying near the controversial Park Place site of the proposed Islamic Center.

No arrests have been reported, though things got heated when several college kids agitated a group of anti-mosque demonstrators.

Anti-mosque rally leader Pam Geller opened the demonstration with a moment of silence — but it was loud and rowdy from there on.
Pro (R) and anti-mosque(L) protesters argue near the proposed mosque near the World Trade Center site. Thousands came out on the ninth anniversay of the terrorist attacks.
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Pro (R) and anti-mosque(L) protesters argue near the proposed mosque near the World Trade Center site. Thousands came out on the ninth anniversay of the terrorist attacks.
People demonstrate against the mosque.
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People demonstrate against the mosque.
Pro-mosque demonstrators march in support near Ground Zero.
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Pro-mosque demonstrators march in support near Ground Zero.

A trumpet player played TAPS, the crowd sang "The Star Spangled Banner," waved American flags and chanted U-S-A.

"Every year it’s bad," Nelly Braginsky, who lost her 38-year old son Alex in the towers, told the crowd. "Nobody can bring me back my son. ... It’s not about freedom of religion. This is about geography."

Geert Wilders, politician from Holland and keynote speaker asked the crowd: "Did New York deserve this? Did America deserve this? Did the West deserve this?"

The crowd answered with shouts of "NO!"

"We do not deserve a mosque at Ground Zero either," he told them. "We are here today because we have not forgotten. ... When the faces of Jihad attacked New York, they attacked the world."

Jackie Drew, 45, of Staten Island, who works as a clerical staff for NYPD, said the anti-mosque protest was her first, but that she felt it was important.

"I don’t trust this isn’t terrorist-related," she said. "Muslims build where they had a victory. We shouldn’t have to bow down to other groups. I’m tired of Americans bowing down."

An angry anti-mosque protestor was allegedly ready to clock one of the young students before cops swooped in and separated the two groups.

Natalie Sowinski, 19, and her friends Andressa Leite, 20 and Dennis Grabowski, 20, were watching the protest – Sowinski with a scarf wrapped around her head like a hijab and Leite, blowing a notoriously loud vuvuzela at the anti-mosque demonstrators.

The demonstrators set upon the three, ripping the scarf off Sowinski’s head, grabbing the horn and screaming in their faces: "Did you lose someone on 9/11?"

"There was a moment when I got scared for my life," Sowinski told The Post.

Another college student, Cat Glenn, 22, tried to intervene, grabbing at the demonstrators who were snatching at Sowinski’s head.

"I’m very intolerant of injustice when it’s physical and in front of my face," Glenn said.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/man_ ... Ztz9y07ZoL

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They are more inflamed by islam and muslims than illegal aliens

Look for fighting to break out at any time , America is turning into an ugly place ,

Unless we realize that liberal PC is ruining this country we are done

Its time to get back to core values and forget this tolerance and other carp if we want to survive as a country and people.

OR WE ARE DONE

Worth posting for those that still believe in tolerance and allowing muslims in this country.
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Islamtruth:
Here is Infidel used in the Koran: "Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.â€

There shouldn't be any questions now

YOU ALL GOT THE MEMO

Here's how to handle it: Islam is not a religion. It's a social, political, economic system. But Moslem is the religion that goes with Islam. Therefore Moslem should not be treated as a religion. It's part of a cult or possibly a business or a foreign government. The laws governing these type of organizations are different. That would clear up things and allow the government and the people to more clearly understand what they are dealing with.

i really don't have a problem with other relgions .. i interact with muslims quite often , haven't had any problems ...

muslims are just another relgious group to me , like jews ,non catholics , hindus , buddists etc ...

Personally i no longer care if they build the mosque or not ... on the one hand it might be in bad taste , on the other hand the building appears to be an abaonded eye sore from what i've seen in the pictures ....

I perceive Islam as a greater threat because it directly usurps all aspects of western judean christian culture. Just look at history, there's no denying it.

Originally Posted by Reciprocity

I perceive Islam as a greater threat because it directly usurps all aspects of western judean christian culture. Just look at history, there's no denying it.

The Crusades were a series of religiously sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Western Christian Europe, particularly the Franks of France and the Holy Roman Empire. The specific crusades to restore Christian control of the Holy Land were fought over a period of nearly 200 years, between 1095 and 1291. Other campaigns in Spain and Eastern Europe continued into the 15th century. The Crusades were fought mainly by Roman Catholic forces (taking place after the East-West Schism and mostly before the Protestant Reformation) against Muslims who had occupied the near east since the time of the Rashidun Caliphate, although campaigns were also waged against pagan Slavs, pagan Balts, Jews, Russian and Greek Orthodox Christians, Mongols, Cathars, Hussites, Waldensians, Old Prussians, and political enemies of the various popes.

I am personally terrified of christians AND muslims. Both have helped create this mess, and few realize it. Religion has become the very thing that Jesus was against. Hate, intolerance, greed, all of these things have replaced the love and compassion, and respect for your neighbor. The religious won't get it until the world as we know it is destroyed, and are standing around wondering why they weren't saved.

Lest we forget the grandfather of Charlemagne, Charles "The Hammer" Martel and his battle against Muslims in the 7th & 8th centuries, to stop the spread of this cult in northern Europe.

Lest we not forget the following sober reminder

Christian & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe"

A muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe"

Originally Posted by escalade

Lest we forget the grandfather of Charlemagne, Charles "The Hammer" Martel and his battle against Muslims in the 7th & 8th centuries, to stop the spread of this cult in northern Europe.

Lest we not forget the following sober reminder

Christian & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe"

A muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe"

LOL!! Charles is my 34th grandfather!! I found out a few weeks ago when I traced my lineage on Ancestry.com.

As far as your quotes, the you imply that Christians and Jews never killed anybody for their beliefs. My post about the crusades pointed that out. The difference now is that 99.9% of Christians aren't going around trying to kill someone. But they do un-Godly things like destroying indigenous cultures, voting for their religious beliefs (which takes away MY God-given right of freewill), and distorting history to fit their own dogma. It might not be physical terrorism, but it is an attack on freedom and true morality.