Thread: Illegals are creating a society for themselves here in Ameri

Illegals are creating a society for themselves here in America.
Their presence call for more production, there fore, more workers in order to produce food, housing, schools, medical facilities, cars, prisons, etc, more of everything to meet the increase of 11 million plus Illegals. Which in turn cost the American tax payer. The liability is that they are low wagers earners and pay very little in taxes that benefit the social services that help the poor and elderly Americans. They do not benefit Americans in any way. They are helping themselves to America and the average American is left holding the baggage.
Our need for workers would not be needed if there were not 11million plus Illegals in this country.

Yes, they are!
Go to most cities in the southwest and you would think you are in Mexico. All latino business, signs, language, culture, flags etc.
Even Las Vegas is currently 20% hispanic, many of those illegals. Going to the east side of Las Vegas is as described above.....
Is this going to stop

I jsut finished posting and article that I added my own comments to on My space....it lends credence to what you are saying here, which is why I've opted to post it in this thread. It shows, that many of these jobs we supposedly do not want are never even offered on the open market in our American Society as illegals CARVE OUT THEIR OWN SPACE in our nation.

The standard line fed to the masses by Bush and other proponents of a move to legalize some 12-15 ILLEGAL ALIENS, is that they are only taking jobs Americans will not do, do not want. This runs completely contrary to Hispanic Pew Report statistics, but it is always nice to come across antedotal information.

I found one such article in today's paper. Seems that MANY ILLEGAL aliens now have jobs not only lined up when they arrived, but have employers helping to SMUGGLE them into the country. How can anyone claim these jobs are one's that Americans do not want if they ARE NEVER EVEN OFFERED TO US?

Many Illegal Immigrants Have Jobs in U.S. Before Crossing Border
Sunday, April 16, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191889,00.html


His future employer even paid $1,000 for a smuggler to help Vazquez make his way from the central Mexican city of Puebla to Aspen, Colo. Note...I used to live just up the road from Aspen in Glennwood Springs, and trust me, there are plenty of LOCALS who are willing to work there without bringing in ILLEGAL ALIENS.

"We're going to Colorado to work in carpentry because we have a friend who was going to give us a job," Vazquez said. When did Americans start being to PROUD for jobs as carpenters?

Vazquez, 41, was interviewed along the Arizona border after being deported twice by the U.S. Border Patrol. He said he would keep trying until he got to Aspen.

His story is not unusual. A growing number of U.S. employers and migrants are tapping into an underground employment network that matches one with the other, often before the migrants leave home. Again, proof that we the lower and middle class are now being denied access to the job market as ILLEGAL ALIENS steal our jobs even before they have crossed the border. Further, underground is code for OFF THE BOOKS, or NOT PAYING TAXES.

"It continues to become clear who controls immigration: It's not governments, but rather the market," said Jorge Santibanez, director of the Tijuana-based think-tank Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

As debate over immigration heats up in the United States, more and more U.S. companies in need of cheap labor are turning to undocumented employees to recruit friends and relatives back home, and to smugglers to find job seekers. There you go folks...absolute proof of a conspiracy to keep OUR WAGES DOWN by hiring illegal aliens.

Darcy Tromanhauser, of the nonprofit law project Nebraska Appleseed, said companies in need of workers rely on the networks to "pass along the information more effectively than billboards."

"It started out more explicitly, where (meatpacking) companies used to have buses to transport people to come up, and they would advertise directly in Mexico," she said. "Now I think that happens more informally." Proof at how the meat packing industry deliberately changed it's work force over to illegal aliens to improve profits...further, have you seen your price for a steak go down recently? Last porterhouse steak I bought cost me over $11 a pound.

At the same time, it has become less risky for companies to recruit illegal migrants. Since the Sept. 11 terror attacks, U.S. prosecution of employers who hire such workers has dwindled to a trickle as the government puts its resources toward national security.

The few cases that are prosecuted, however, highlight how lucrative a business recruiting undocumented workers has become. In one case, a single smuggler allegedly earned $900,000 over 15 months placing 6,000 migrants in jobs at Chinese restaurants across the upper Midwest. ONE SMUGGLER FOLKS, six thousand workers!

Shan Wei Yu, a 51-year-old Chinese-American, was sentenced in December to nine years in federal prison on charges involving the transportation of 40 of those migrants. Investigations involving the others continue.

Rick Hilzendager, special agent for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Grand Forks, N.D., said Yu connected 6,000 migrants from Latin America with jobs in Chinese restaurants in Illinois, Michigan, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wisconsin.

Based in Yu's home in McKinney, Texas, the Great Texas Employment Agency placed ads in Chinese-language newspapers in the Chicago area offering cheap labor from Latin America, investigators said.

Yu sent a recruiter with Spanish interpreters to find migrants in Dallas willing to be fry cooks and dishwashers, Hilzendager said. A team made up mostly of illegal Chinese immigrants rented cars and drove them up.

Yu allegedly charged a $150 finder's fee for each migrant while the drivers earned $300 per worker. Restaurant owners deducted the $450 from workers' first-month paychecks of $1,000.

"It was just so easy," Hilzendager said.

Nick Chase, assistant U.S. attorney in North Dakota, said Yu even offered to replace workers free of charge if one left within two weeks of starting.

"It was a 2-for-1 special — like a pizza," Chase said. "Everything about it was ugly."

The employees, housed in cramped apartments provided by employers, worked 14-hour days and had little outside contact. The case broke open in August 2004 after two Mexican migrants working at the Buffet House in Grand Forks fled poor conditions and were picked up along a highway by Border Patrol agents.

Many of the drivers involved in the scheme were deported to China. Two North Dakota restaurant owners were sentenced to four months each for harboring illegal immigrants.

But many migrants, and many employers, say the recruiters provide a valuable service. Sergio Sosa, who organizes Nebraska meatpackers, said many are seen as heroes in the Mexican towns where the workers come from. Heroes to towns in Mexico sure seem like TRAITORS to this middle class American.

Sosa, speaking by telephone from Omaha, said that in the 1990s companies bused migrants from the U.S.-Mexico border, paying them room and board plus salaries of $100 a week. But after a government crackdown, they began to rely more on their workers to recruit friends and family back in Mexico. This amounts to a organize and deliberate invasion of our nation, yet the Senate wants to grant AMNESTY? We had best be heard folks, are we are going to be the new poverty class.

"One of the meatpacking supervisors is from Michoacan, and most of the people working for him come from his town," Sosa said. "There's no official recruiting — it's more internal through family." This tends to lend credence to the claim that once illegal aliens get a foot hold in a particular company, that they slowly begin stealing the jobs of Americans through a formalized network aimed at bringing their own family and friends in from Mexico and other Latin countries.

Migrants setting out along the border confirmed his account. Guadalupe Mendez, 26, said her sister found her work as a seamstress in Los Angeles. Lorenzo Garcia Ruiz, 38, said friends arranged a gardening job for him in Kentucky.

To make a real dent in this network, the U.S. government would need to go after employers or make them pay the costs of legalizing workers, migration activists say.

But an August 2005 report of the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, indicates the opposite is happening. After the Sept. 11 attacks, work-site inspections by U.S. immigration officials plummeted as they focused on national security cases.

From 1999 to 2004, the number of businesses that faced fines dropped from 417 to three, the GAO said. Data after 2004 could not be compared because the government changed the way it records data.

Investigators say fake documents makes it difficult to prove an employer has knowingly hired an undocumented worker. The business community argues that employers aren't equipped to spot fraud and warns that more investigations could lead to workplace discrimination. This is the worst excuse out there...these employers know they are breaking laws,and doing it in WHOLESALE FASHION in the name of depressing American wages....in short, GREED of the most sinister kind.

Chase said businesses must be kept in check.

"There are employers out there who are always going to be tempted by the bottom line," he said.

Illegals are creating a society for themselves here in America.
Their presence call for more production, there fore, more workers in order to produce food, housing, schools, medical facilities, cars, prisons, etc, more of everything to meet the increase of 11 million plus Illegals. Which in turn cost the American tax payer. The liability is that they are low wagers earners and pay very little in taxes that benefit the social services that help the poor and elderly Americans. They do not benefit Americans in any way. They are helping themselves to America and the average American is left holding the baggage.

Yup, they are parasitic. Bullseye. They leech off the present infrastructure until it collapses, but before it does, they hit the schools, the prisons, the hospitals, and drag it down some more...

Dont see this pointed out alot, because it makes it a 'race' issue.

Its evident everywhere, the most noticable is how they can move into a neighborhood, rent or buy a house, and have it look like it's ready for demolition in no time, it's happened over and over in the neighborhood I lived in here on Long Island for over 20 years and just recently moved. And it just continues until the entire neighborhood looks like a junkyard. It's so sad, and spreads like pinkeye.