Thread: Impassioned Letter from a 'Nobody'

Originally Posted by wmarincic

Originally Posted by USA_born

John McCain spent that amount of time, from 1967 to 1973, in a North Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camp.


John McCain was known as a "songbird". This traitor told the enemy everything he could about US military operations when he was captured. They treated him well for his help. He lived good during that time. When he returned home and became a senator he did everything in his power to make sure the POWs in Viet Nam were left there to rot. And they are still there to this day. John McCain does not have a military record to be proud of. He also tried very hard to give all the illegals in this country amnesty.
People can vote for anyone they choose. But please, we know about John McCain's military escapades.

Can you prove this slander on McCains reputation?

I don't know if he can, but I sure will. I can't copy and paste the OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS because it is pictures taken of the 3 pages. Since I can't post an attatchment to this thread I can't post the pdf here. If you want the pdf, just let me know. Sorry to tell you folks, USABorn is right.
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And I also have the declassified document showing that McCain was taken to a hospital after he ejected, and he also says and I am quoting "I was a US airmen engaged in the crimes against Vietnam and it's people. I had bombed their cities, towns and villages and caused more injury even death for the people of Vietnam. After I was capyured I was taken to a hospital in Da Nang where I recieved very good medical treatment. I was given an operation on my leg which allowed me to walk again and a cast for my right arm which was badly broken in 3 places. The doctors were very good and they knew a great deal about the practice of medicine. I remained in a hospital for some time, I regained much of my health and strength."

Doesn't sound like a POW camp to me! Again, if you want it, I have the official document in pdf format.

jshhmr wrote:

And I also have the declassified document showing that McCain was taken to a hospital after he ejected, and he also says and I am quoting "I was a US airmen engaged in the crimes against Vietnam and it's people. I had bombed their cities, towns and villages and caused more injury even death for the people of Vietnam. After I was capyured I was taken to a hospital in Da Nang where I recieved very good medical treatment. I was given an operation on my leg which allowed me to walk again and a cast for my right arm which was badly broken in 3 places. The doctors were very good and they knew a great deal about the practice of medicine. I remained in a hospital for some time, I regained much of my health and strength."

Doesn't sound like a POW camp to me!

McCain spent over 5 years in a Hanoi prison, jshhmr. That's a fact that is easily verifiable. I wouldn't be so quick to judge unless I was in the cell next to his.

As for praising the medical care he received, that is a small price to pay for your life. It certainly isn't the same as giving friendly positions and other classified information. There is actual testimony from some of McCain's fellow prisoners of war that debunks the 'songbird' accusations.

Originally Posted by MW

jshhmr wrote:

And I also have the declassified document showing that McCain was taken to a hospital after he ejected, and he also says and I am quoting "I was a US airmen engaged in the crimes against Vietnam and it's people. I had bombed their cities, towns and villages and caused more injury even death for the people of Vietnam. After I was capyured I was taken to a hospital in Da Nang where I recieved very good medical treatment. I was given an operation on my leg which allowed me to walk again and a cast for my right arm which was badly broken in 3 places. The doctors were very good and they knew a great deal about the practice of medicine. I remained in a hospital for some time, I regained much of my health and strength."

Doesn't sound like a POW camp to me!

McCain spent over 5 years in a Hanoi prison, jshhmr. That's a fact that is easily verifiable. I wouldn't be so quick to judge unless I was in the cell next to his.

As for praising the medical care he received, that is a small price to pay for your life. It certainly isn't the same as giving friendly positions and other classified information. There is actual testimony from some of McCain's fellow prisoners of war that debunks the 'songbird' accusations.

Yes he did spend 5 years in a POW camp and he was tortured and beaten. After a particularly bad beating, he spilled his guts. He was so distrought because he felt like he betrayed his country that he attempted suicide, but one of the guards stopped him. I am not condemning him for his actions because he is a braver person than myself, and he deserves respect for that. My point was that he was given better treatment than his fellow prisoners. It was in now way a common practice for POW's to receive such excellent treatment for wounds sustained in battle. It was because his father was well known. Is that fair?

Originally Posted by jshhmr

And I also have the declassified document showing that McCain was taken to a hospital after he ejected, and he also says and I am quoting "I was a US airmen engaged in the crimes against Vietnam and it's people. I had bombed their cities, towns and villages and caused more injury even death for the people of Vietnam. After I was capyured I was taken to a hospital in Da Nang where I recieved very good medical treatment. I was given an operation on my leg which allowed me to walk again and a cast for my right arm which was badly broken in 3 places. The doctors were very good and they knew a great deal about the practice of medicine. I remained in a hospital for some time, I regained much of my health and strength."

Many American POWs were tortured into signing these fake "confessions".

Under those circumstances you would have done the same thing.

Originally Posted by jshhmr

And I also have the declassified document showing that McCain was taken to a hospital after he ejected, and he also says and I am quoting "I was a US airmen engaged in the crimes against Vietnam and it's people. I had bombed their cities, towns and villages and caused more injury even death for the people of Vietnam. After I was capyured I was taken to a hospital in Da Nang where I recieved very good medical treatment. I was given an operation on my leg which allowed me to walk again and a cast for my right arm which was badly broken in 3 places. The doctors were very good and they knew a great deal about the practice of medicine. I remained in a hospital for some time, I regained much of my health and strength."

Doesn't sound like a POW camp to me! Again, if you want it, I have the official document in pdf format.

Pretend I'm from Missouri because you got to show me...

I hope you condemn Jane Fonda and her actions. NOW that is treason.

Originally Posted by Gogo

I hope you condemn Jane Fonda and her actions. NOW that is treason.

Are you kidding me? That person would rather condemn a man that put his life on the line so that they have the right to spew their BS. It is the same with us The PGR, we would not tell Westboro Baptist Church that they can not protest at soldiers funerals as that would be a slap in the face to those men and women throughout American history that have died for our freedom. Do we think WBC is reprehensible? Absolutely!!!!

Originally Posted by Shad

Received in e-mail from a friend.

An impassioned letter from a 'nobody'. But he gives his personal information at the end.

Dear Friends:
My name is Joe Porter. I live in Champaign , Illinois . I'm 46 years old, a born-again Christian, a husband, a father, a small business owner, a veteran, and a homeowner. I don't consider myself to be either conservative or liberal, and I vote for the person, not Republican or Democrat. I don't believe there are 'two Americas ' - but that every person in this country can be whomever and whatever they want to be if they'll just work to get there - and nowhere else on earth can they find such opportunities. I believe our government should help those who are legitimately downtrodden, and should always put the interests of America first.
The purpose of this message is that I'm concerned about the future of this great nation. I'm worried that the silent majority of honest, hard-working, tax-paying people in this country have been passive for too long. Most folks I know choose not to involve themselves in politics. They go about their daily lives, paying their bills, raising their kids, and doing what they can to maintain the good life. They vote and consider doing so to be a sacred trust. They shake their heads at the political pundits and so-called 'news', thinking that what they hear is always spun by whomever is reporting it. They can't understand how elected officials can regularly violate the public trust with pork barrel spending

We are in the unique position in this country of electing our leaders. It's a privilege to do so. I've never found a candidate in any election with whom I agreed on everything. I'll wager that most of us don't even agree with our families or spouses 100% of the time. So when I step into that voting booth, I always try to look at the big picture and cast my vote for the man or woman who is best qualified for the job. I've hired a lot of people in my lifetime, and essentially that's what an election is - a hiring process. Who has the credentials? Whom do I want working for me? Whom can I trust to do the job right?

I'm concerned that a growing number of voters in this country simply don't get it. They are caught up in a fervor they can't explain, and calling it 'change'.

'Change what?', I ask.
'Well, we're going to change America ', they say.
'In what way?', I query.
'We want someone new and fresh in the White House', they exclaim..
'So, someone who's not a politician?', I say.
'Uh, well, no, we just want a lot of stuff changed, so we're voting for Obama', they state.

'So the current system, the system of freedom and democracy that has enabled a man to grow up in this great country, get a fine education, raise incredible amounts of money and dominate the news and win his party's nomination for the White House - that system's all wrong?'
'No, no, that part of the system's okay - we just need a lot of change.'
And so it goes. 'Change we can believe in.'

Quite frankly, I don't believe that vague proclamations of change hold any promise for me. In recent months, I've been asking virtually everyone I encounter how they're voting. I live in Illinois , so most folks tell me they're voting for Barack Obama. But no one can really tell me why - only that he's going to change a lot of stuff. 'Change, change, change.' I have yet to find one single person who can tell me distinctly and convincingly why this man is qualified to be President and Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful nation on earth - other than the fact that he claims he's going to implement a lot of change.
We've all seen the emails about Obama's genealogy, his upbringing, his Muslim background, and his church affiliations. Let's ignore this for a moment. Put it all aside. Then ask yourself, 'What qualifies this man to be my president? That he's a brilliant orator and talks about change?'

CHANGE WHAT?

Friends, I'll be forthright with you - I believe the American voters who are supporting Barack Obama don't have a clue what they're doing, as evidenced by the fact that not one of them - NOT ONE of them I've spoken to can spell out his qualifications. Not even the most liberal media can explain why he should be elected. Political experience? Negligible. Foreign relations? Non-existent. Achievements? Name one. Someone who wants to unite the country? If you haven't read his wife's thesis from Princeton , look it up on the web. This is who's lining up to be our next First Lady? The only thing I can glean from Obama's constant harping about change is that we're in for a lot of new taxes.

For me, the choice is clear. I've looked carefully at the two leading applicants for the job, and I've made my choice.
Here's a question - 'Where were you five and a half years ago? Around Christmas, 2002. You've had five or six birthdays in that time. My son has grown from a sixth grade child to a high school graduate. Five and a half years is a good chunk of time. About 2,000 days. 2,000 nights of sleep. 6, 000 meals, give or take.'
John McCain spent that amount of time, from 1967 to 1973, in a North Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camp.
When offered early release, he refused it. He considered this offer to be a public relations stunt by his captors, and insisted that those held longer than he should be released first Did you get that part? He was offered his freedom, and he turned it down.. A regimen of beatings and torture began.

Do you possess such strength of character? Locked in a filthy cell in a foreign country, would you turn down your own freedom in favor of your fellow man? I submit that's a quality of character that is rarely found, and for me, this singular act defines John McCain.

Unlike several presidential candidates in recent years whose military service is questionable or non-existent, you will not find anyone to denigrate the integrity and moral courage of this man. A graduate of Annapolis, during his Naval service he received the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. His own son is now serving in the Marine Corps in Iraq Barack Obama is fond of saying 'We honor John McCain's service...BUT...', which to me is condescending and offensive - because what I hear is, 'Let's forget this man's sacrifice for his country and his proven leadership abilities, and talk some mo re about change.'

I don't agree with John McCain on everything - but I am utterly convinced that he is qualified to be our next President, and I trust him to do what's right. I know in my heart that he has the best interests of our country in mind. He doesn't simply want to be President - he wants to lead America , and there's a huge difference. Factually, there is simply no comparison between the two candidates. A man of questionable background and motives who prattles on about change can't hold a candle to a man who has devoted his life in public service to this nation, retiring from the Na vy in1981 and elected to the Senate in1982.

Perhaps Obama's supporters are taking a stance between old and new. Maybe they don't care about McCain's service or his strength of character, or his unblemished qualifications to be President. Maybe 'likeability' is a higher priority for them than 'trust'. Being a prisoner of war is not what qualifies John McCain to be President of the United States of America - but his demonstrated leadership certainly DOES.

Dear friends, it is time for us to stand. It is time for thinking Americans to say, 'Enough.' It is time for people of all parties to stop following the party line. It is time for anyone who wants to keep America first, who wants the right man leading their nation, to start a dialogue with all their friends and neighbors and ask who they're voting for, and why.

There's a lot of evil in this world. That should be readily apparent to all of us by now. And when faced with that evil as we are now, I want a man who knows the cost of war on his troops and on his citizens. I want a man who puts my family's interests before any foreign country.

I want a President who's qualified to lead.

I want my country back, and I'm voting for John McCain.

This letter is from a Blog:

http://hbwm.com/blog/?m=20080805

This has to make you think a little bit, if not then keep your blinders on!

George Bush has been in office fo 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.

A little over one year ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;

2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;

3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.

4) the DOW JONES hit a record high–14,000 +

5) American’s were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations o’seas, living large!…

But American’s wanted ‘CHANGE’! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress & yep
–we got ‘CHANGE’ all right. In the PAST YEAR:

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;

2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;

3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);

4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS & prices still dropping;

5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low below 11,100- $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!
YEP , IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE!…AND WE SURE AS &*^% GOT IT!!!…

NOW OBAMA, the DEM’S CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT–AND THE POLLS SAY HE’S GONNA BE ‘THE MAN’–CLAIMS HE’S GONNA REALLY GIVE US CHANGE!!….