Thread: In Iowa, Donald Trump intensifies 'birther' attack against Ted Cruz

Originally Posted by Judy

Americans know what a natural born citizen is to run for President or Vice President, it's born on US soil to 2 US citizens. We've known it our whole lives. We learned it in school, we learned it from our parents. This is something we're supposed to know so we know who to vote for and who not to vote for. Why you don't know that and apparently haven't known that your whole life, especially with you having served in the military for 20 years that you mentioned one day, is really troubling.

So, we'll just leave it there that this is yet another issue we'll have to agree to disagree about.

I don't profess to be all knowledgeable on all things. When I want information I normally go to the experts on the specific subject matter. The legal experts in the field of constitutional law have spoken. If you refuse to listen, that's on you. My military service has absolutely nothing to do with my ability to read, hear, and comprehend.

Originally Posted by JohnK

Extremely well said Judy - Thank you ! I wish more people understood and appreciated this.

Thank you JohnK. Most Americans do. They either lost their minds or decided to make an exception for Obama in 2008, I'm not sure why, but I don't think they'll make that mistake again. I hope not!

Originally Posted by MW

I don't profess to be all knowledgeable on all things. When I want information I normally go to the experts on the specific subject matter. The legal experts in the field of constitutional law have spoken. If you refuse to listen, that's on you. My military service has absolutely nothing to do with my ability to read, hear, and comprehend.

You didn't go to experts. You went to an article planted by Ted Cruz written by two lawyers who worked in the Obama Administration, Neal Katyal and Paul Clement, both of whom would look pretty foolish if they wrote a truthful article and said their boss was an illegal President.

Yes, obviously your military service doesn't have anything to do with your ability to read, hear and comprehend planted propaganda, you fell for it hook, line and sinker without apparent cause or purpose other than to support your illegal candidate, but it should have something to do with an oath you took to support and defend the US Constitution.

Originally Posted by Judy

You didn't go to experts. You went to an article planted by Ted Cruz written by two lawyers who worked in the Obama Administration, Neal Katyal and Paul Clement, both of whom would look pretty foolish if they wrote a truthful article and said their boss was an illegal President.

Yes, obviously your military service doesn't have anything to do with your ability to read, hear and comprehend planted propaganda, you fell for it hook, line and sinker without apparent cause or purpose other than to support your illegal candidate, but it should have something to do with an oath you took to support and defend the US Constitution.

For some reason you seem to be under the misguided idea that only a couple of experts have spoken out on Cruz's eligibility. Let me clear this up for you once and for all. One article would never satisfy me on such an important topic. No, as you well know, but refuse to acknowledge, there are a number of legal experts that have come out and said Cruz is eligible, not just the two you speak of. Actually, I haven't found one that has unequivocally stated Cruz is not eligible.

Originally Posted by MW

For some reason you seem to be under the misguided idea that only a couple of experts have spoken out on Cruz's eligibility. Let me clear this up for you once and for all. One article would never satisfy me on such an important topic. No, as you well know, but refuse to acknowledge, there are a number of legal experts that have come out and said Cruz is eligible, not just the two you speak of. Actually, I haven't found one that has unequivocally stated Cruz is not eligible.

MW, you are missing the entire obligation of your citizenship in this country. You do not sit around at a computer at your age in the year 2016 wondering for the first time and seeking out "experts" on who is or is not eligible to be President and Vice President of the United States. From your posts, one is left only to believe that you have lived your adult voting life without knowing who is or is not eligible under the US Constitution to hold the office of President and Vice President of the United States when every citizen of citizens has known since 1789.

Originally Posted by Judy

MW, you are missing the entire obligation of your citizenship in this country. You do not sit around at a computer at your age in the year 2016 wondering for the first time and seeking out "experts" on who is or is not eligible to be President and Vice President of the United States. From your posts, one is left only to believe that you have lived your adult voting life without knowing who is or is not eligible under the US Constitution to hold the office of President and Vice President of the United States when every citizen of citizens has known since 1789.

Please to presume to lecture me on my obligation to this country, especially considering the fact that you actually know virtually nothing of what I've done in the service of this great country of ours!

Your failure at comprehending the details in what constitutes being a natural born citizen is your problem, not mine.

Originally Posted by MW

Please to presume to lecture me on my obligation to this country, especially considering the fact that you actually know virtually nothing of what I've done in the service of this great country of ours!

Your failure at comprehending the details in what constitutes being a natural born citizen is your problem, not mine.

Then you should perhaps focus on that service, because what you're doing here is a travesty. I happen to be one of the "experts" on this subject because of my education and training. You can either benefit from that or continue to cite your immigrant rights propaganda.

Originally Posted by Judy

Then you should perhaps focus on that service, because what you're doing here is a travesty. I happen to be one of the "experts" on this subject because of my education and training. You can either benefit from that or continue to cite your immigrant rights propaganda.

You seem to have self-anointed yourself pretty much as an expert on everything. Honestly, I think what your doing is the real travesty because if everyone followed your lead it would be Trump or nothing. Personally, I prefer having a second choice I can support and I think it's great that both Trump and Cruz are polling higher than the rest of the Republican field.

If Trump happens to fade for whatever reason, what will we be left with then? Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton, Marco Rubio, Christie? Is that really what you want? Not me, I'm happy having a second choice. Haven't really had one in decades. former Rep. Duncan Hunter was the last candidate I can remember fully supporting in ages. Unfortunately he didn't make it through the primaries. Right now I think we have a winner with Trump and Cruz battling it out. That is a scenario I can appreciate a lot more than Trump and Bush, Trump and Rubio, or Trump and Christie.

Originally Posted by MW

You seem to have self-anointed yourself pretty much as an expert on everything. Honestly, I think what your doing is the real travesty because if everyone followed your lead it would be Trump or nothing. Personally, I prefer having a second choice I can support and I think it's great that both Trump and Cruz are polling higher than the rest of the Republican field.

If Trump happens to fade for whatever reason, what will we be left with then? Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton, Marco Rubio, Christie? Is that really what you want? Not me, I'm happy having a second choice. Haven't really had one in decades. former Rep. Duncan Hunter was the last candidate I can remember fully supporting in ages. Unfortunately he didn't make it through the primaries. Right now I think we have a winner with Trump and Cruz battling it out. That is a scenario I can appreciate a lot more than Trump and Bush, Trump and Rubio, or Trump and Christie.

I don't think having a second choice that you use to tear down your first choice is a winning strategy.

Originally Posted by Judy

I don't think having a second choice that you use to tear down your first choice is a winning strategy.

It's your constant, excessive, and nonsensical attacks on Cruz that place me in a position of defending him and pointing out Trump's weaknesses. If you haven't noticed, I've been quiet on Trump when you've been quiet on Cruz. If you were constantly attacking Trump in an effort to benefit another candidate of your choice, I'd be doing the same thing in defense of Trump.

We have two candidates that many of us can support. It would be nice if you could respect that and act accordingly. If you have a legitimate beef, fine, air it out. However, many of your attacks seem to be petty and redundant to me.