If our engineering schools were so ineffective would we be training engineering students from all over the globe? I understand that there are technical universities in India and Pakistan that have computer engineering graduates that are the equal of M.I.T. graduates and will work for peanuts. Having said that I believe our students are more well rounded and more imaginative (except of course those that went to Texas A.&M.) The willingness of these foreign engineers to work for peanuts is the reason for the high tech immigrant quotas.