Thread: LAPD: Where are the injured women and children?

The Goons in LA are accusing the LAPD of opening fire with non lethal weapons on crowds filled with women and children.

If that is true, then why are there no pictures, videos, or news reports documenting injuries of women and children? I've read through most of this coverage and documentation and I do not see that.

Some, please correct me if I'm wrong. Surely, if the illegal alien supporter's claims about the LAPD indiscriminately firing on women and children is true, then were is the documentation? We have multiple videos of Bruise Man One and Two, so we know that many news services and web bloggers were eager to film injuries.

Can anyone find any evidence of innocent women and children being injured?

W

Here's one story I found, which seems to back up what we know, I'll keep looking, and post what I can find.MAY DAY RIOTS

By Jennifer McMahon
Staff Writer-ToTheCenter.Com

MacArthur Park was just one of the sites of Monday’s illegal immigrant marches. The rallies were held across America and were supposed to be peaceful. Instead of a peaceful demonstration calling for citizenship for illegal immigrants, the march turned violent.

The demonstration in L.A. brought 10,000 people to the park; this is a fraction of what was expected and compared to last year's march. Police arrived on the scene to clear out the crowds. Demonstrators responded to the police presence by throwing things at the officers, inciting a violent police response.

Telemundo reporters and cameramen were on site and footage shows one reporter being knocked to the ground by police. The Spanish television network sent reporters to cover the event. Although most injuries were limited to minor cuts and bruises, the masses are crying foul play by police.

Fifteen police officers were injured in the riot, but this seems to be taking a back seat to people calling for an investigation into the police conduct. In fact, Police Chief William Bratton is scheduled to have a news conference at 3:00 p.m. to discuss his disapproval of the conduct of some of his officers in the disturbance. Ten civilians were taken to area hospitals for treatment of their minor injuries.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 1427.story


Waving U.S. flags and demanding citizenship for undocumented immigrants, tens of thousands of jubilant protesters marched through the streets of Los Angeles on Tuesday during a mostly peaceful day that ended with clashes between police and demonstrators in MacArthur Park.

Fifteen police officers were among those hurt. About 10 people were taken from MacArthur Park by ambulance to hospitals for treatment, said d'Lisa Davies, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles Fire Department. She said the injuries mainly were cuts, including head and neck wounds. None of the injuries were believed to be serious. Police reported that one demonstrator was arrested.

About 35,000 people turned out at two Los Angeles rallies, far fewer than the combined 115,000 that organizers had anticipated and greatly fewer than the roughly 650,000 who turned out at rallies last year.

Turnouts were light across the country compared to last year, when millions of marchers in 150 cities took to the streets.

Chicago — home of the original May 1 International Workers' Day more than a century ago — drew the largest crowd with 150,000, while New York's rally drew only hundreds.

In Los Angeles, after police tried to disperse demonstrators who had moved off the sidewalk onto Alvarado Street about 6 p.m., some of the few thousand participants still in the park started throwing plastic bottles and rocks at officers.

Then, several dozen riot police, clad in helmets and wielding batons, started clearing the park, firing a few dozen volleys of foam bullets into the crowd.

Late Tuesday, a spokesman for Telemundo confirmed that one reporter and three camera operators from the Spanish-language TV station had been injured and had been taken to a hospital by police.

Another TV station, Fox 11, showed video on its 10 p.m. newscast of a Fox camerawoman apparently being struck by a baton-wielding police officer.

The violence began unfolding when a helicopter flew low over the east side of the park and sirens blasted as police ordered people out of the park, telling them they would be arrested if they didn't leave.

The police formed a riot line across the park on the east side, forcing the crowd to move west. Some participants were yelling at police, "You can't do this."

About 6:45 p.m., police ordered the last people out of MacArthur Park, mostly news personnel and some marchers filming the police actions, declaring an "unlawful assembly."

One of those at the scene, Hamid Khan, who works at South Asia Network, termed the police action "absolutely an atrocity" and said officers overreacted.

The police action had cut short several speeches, he said, as people left when the confrontation began. "All this shooting is an atrocity," he said.

Another confrontation came about 6:50 p.m., still well before nightfall, when a police car with lights blazing was bombarded by bottles and clothes as it passed. A line of officers fired several volleys of the foam bullets from wide-barreled launchers resembling shotguns. People started running while throwing things, including plastic bottles and palm fronds, at Metro buses. One hit a bus with a piece of wood.

More police cars streamed north on Rampart Boulevard and west on 6th Street. In Lafayette Park, several police jumped out with batons and tackled crowd members, arresting someone in the big pile. They chased reporters away.

Late Tuesday, Police Chief William J. Bratton, speaking at a hastily arranged news conference at MacArthur Park, promised a department review "to determine if the use of force was appropriate."

He said police responded after "certain elements of the crowd … began to create a series of disturbances."

During that activity, Bratton said, "Missiles were being thrown at the officers, and officers [were] responding."

Still, Bratton said, the demonstrators creating problems were few and "that the vast, vast majority of the people who were here were behaving appropriately."


Go to the link and look to your right in the middle of the page, there is a gallery of photos from the rally turned riot.

This is all I can find. This has some more info, we have yet to hear. Seems there is no such reports that I have been able to find, of women and children being hurt, only some idiots who refused to move back when told to by police.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... d-homepage

By Jill Leovy, Times Staff Writer
12:59 PM PDT, May 2, 2007


Times Staff Writer Jill Leovy was in MacArthur Park when the LAPD clashes occurred Tuesday at the end of a pro-immigration rally. Here's her narrative of what she saw:

At 6:13 p.m. the officers in riot gear were lined up in the southbound lanes of Alvarado Street between Wilshire and 7th Street with helmets and face covers, batons at the ready. There were 40 or 50 of them and they were in a line extending north to south, facing west into the park.

As they lined up, Chief Lee Carter told a reporter that numerous bottles had been thrown at officers by people in the crowd and he didn't have time to talk. The Times did not directly observe the bottle throwing, but Carter's account was corroborated by protesters.

Prior to this, a small group of young protesters, including several wearing bandanas over their faces, had been hovering near the police on this side of the park. Unlike the rest of the protesters, who mostly ignored officers, this group had appeared quite focused on the police throughout the march -- watching them, filming them at close range, hollering at them, etc. There had been some arguing back and forth on the park's southeast side earlier in the afternoon and the mood there had been more tense than in the rest of the park.

At the time the riot line was set up, Alvarado was closed. Protesters, including a large number of people taking pictures or filming with video cameras, were lined up facing east on the sidewalk, staring into the line of police on the street. The officers were preventing anyone from stepping off the curb into Alvarado.

At the same time, several of the protest organizers were conferring with police leaders in the middle of Alvarado, apparently forming some agreement. The organizers then returned to the crowd and urged people to move away from the east side of the park.

Right after this, a second line of officers formed on the southeast side of the park on 7th, at a right angle with the police line on Alvarado.

Then at 6:20 p.m., both lines of officers advanced northwest into the park at a walk, forming a wide V and sweeping protesters before them. An order to disperse came from the advancing officers. The order appeared to come from an officer on foot with a megaphone just north of the intersection of Alvarado and 7th.

Much of the crowd was still in the southeast corner of the park, south of the boathouse. As the officers advanced, a few officers pushed or tussled with people who didn't move quickly enough. At the same time, several officers fired foam rounds toward the crowd. A least one plastic bottle from the retreating crowd was lobbed at the police.

Most of the protesters and press stayed ahead of the advancing line by walking rapidly. One elderly homeless woman in red, who appeared distraught, was having a difficult time and protesters helped her. The officers moved forward in intervals of 40 feet or so, then stopped, then started forward again.

They repeated this pattern of walking and stopping several times, moving north, then west across the soccer field. On the north side of Wilshire, some people lingered right in front of the line, facing the officers at distances of between six and 20 feet, and letting officers close the distance between them.

The lingerers were a mix of protesters and reporters. Some were reporters from established news organizations watching or recording what police were doing, and some were self-styled grassroots reporters -- protesters with cameras -- some of whom were both filming officers closely and yelling challenges at them. At least three men in this mixed group lingered long enough to be caught by the advancing line of officers and they were batoned. They received one or two baton strokes each.

The arguments continued as police advanced. The challengers were resistant, but appeared nonviolent. They were mostly people who quarreled with individual officers while backing away from the advancing line. One man briefly laid down on his back in front of the police. The people throwing things, among them the plastic bottle lobber, appeared to be farther back in the retreating crowd.

While this was happening, a police helicopter close overhead emitted more dispersal orders. At 6:33 p.m., another advance by the police line, accompanied by the pop of several dozen rounds of foam bullets, sent people running west across the soccer field and out the northwest corner of the park at Park View. By this time, the park was nearly emptied. Crowds were flowing west on city streets at a rapid walk, mostly on 6th Street.

Inside the park, a small last holdout group of protesters briefly tried to set up barricades of red fences inside the park near the pavilion. Fellow protesters persuaded them to give up this plan. "You can't do this!" a protester yelled at the advancing police line as she abandoned the makeshift barricade.

When the police had driven the last of the press and protesters to the northwest corner of the park, an order came specifically directed at the press: "Members of the media" were told they were there illegally by an officer on foot. This was right at the corner of Park View and 6th. The reporters were then forced to walk with the crowd west on 6th.

A block west of the park on 6th, a couple dozen young men and middle-aged men threw plastic garbage cans into the street. They formed a barricade of garbage cans blocking traffic and also threw material at passing cars. A large metal truck hubcap was sent spinning into the street toward people. An older man began hitting a Metro bus pulled up to the curb with a large piece of wood. A dozen men stood in the middle of the street taunting the advancing police line.

At least two of these taunters had bandanas over their faces. But most of them seemed a different crowd than those who had confronted police at the east side of the park. They were in jeans and T-shirts and had no protest regalia. When a patrol car pulled up just east of Lafayette Park, it was bombarded with bottles and debris thrown by this group.

At a press conference with Chief Bratton about 9 Tuesday night at the intersection of Wilshire Boulevard and Park View, tensions between the informal press and the formal press bubbled over.

As the chief spoke, with Assistant Chief Earl Paysinger at his side, at least 40 people surrounded him, with six or seven squatting on the ground in front to hear better. About half of the group appeared not to be official members of the press corps, but rather, protesters and self-appointed journalists affiliated with the protesters. When it came time to call out questions -- often a competitive moment among reporters from competing news agencies -- the protesters held their own.

As questioners peppered Bratton with demands for answers, some seemed more intent on expressing their own views than hearing Bratton's and there was confusion about whether those speaking were paid by an established news organization or were self-appointed.

A large man in front of the chief to his right, who had been heckling with words of skepticism throughout the event, repeatedly asked in a loud voice whether the chief planned to appoint a civilian panel to investigate the incident. He interrupted reporters. Tempers flared. Dave Clark, a well-known broadcast journalist with KCAL 9 and CBS 2, admonished him to be quiet. "We are trying to work here!" Clark said.

At one point, Bratton also asked this man to be quiet. The press conference was being held for the benefit of the official media, he said. The man responded by insisting he was a "citizen journalist," but then backed down, professing his respect for the chief.

Police were attacked with rocks and bottles. That was an assault on them. The protesters should have dispersed when asked to do so. That is what law-abiding citizens would have done. Instead they chose to assault the officers. The camera showed police hitting people, but it failed to show what happened just prior the officers hitting the people. I believe the rock throwing was deliberately not shown and not credible evidence of excess force. The allegations that 200 or more rubber bullets were fired and no arrest was made are not unusual. Arrest should have been made, but I believe that would have escalated the situation and it was not the purpose of the officers to make arrest but to disperse. These are not people we want as citizens of our country. We do not need any more lawbreakers than we already have domestically. Next time there will be riots because the protests are getting more violent. They are showing themselves for what they really are. Lawbreakers.
It is not believable that the police would have used force where it was not warranted, knowing all the time they were being filmed privately and by some Spanish station.
The protesters just want an excuse to sue and get sympathy and make more demands for amnesty.

Hey, no long articles folks.

Just the meat and potatoes.

Somebody show me one mention in an official news article, one picture, or one video of a woman or child being injured by police in Macarthur Park!

That whole park was crawling with professional and amature cameras and video recorders.

Show me one concise bit of evidence any women or children were injured please.

W

Somebody show me one mention in an official news article, one picture, or one video of a woman or child being injured by police in Macarthur Park!

That whole park was crawling with professional and amature cameras and video recorders.

Show me one concise bit of evidence any women or children were injured please.

W

If there was really injured women and children there be videos all over the place. They would be all over MSM and on all the oppositions websites. I think this is just more BS to try to make the police look bad for doing their job. They are trying to force feed us that they are the victims, when they set off the whole chain of events and ignored the order to disperse and leave the park. I thought the police actually showed restraint for what was going on around them and what was being thrown at them. It is their job to get there and stop it ASAP and that is what they did. It could have escalated and been MUCH worse.In this situation, I believe they did exactly what needed to be done.

The truth in MacArthur Park is in what WE ARE NOT SEEING HAPPEN.

W

The truth in MacArthur Park is in what WE ARE NOT SEEING HAPPEN.

W

Exactly!

In the LA video there is a woman who looked like she had fallen down and another girl went to help her up and an officer raised a Batton to her but did not hit her.

I think the lady on the ground was the reporter, went to the hospital with a sprained ankle and wrist , she said an officer hit her in the stomach with his batton.But that was not on video

I believe she is the one starting the law suit and was involved in one, I think it said 1990 for the same thing, not much of it is on tape but she could of seen another law suit looming in her future, theres probably enough on the tape for her to get away with saying anything and hospital records plus her eye witness friend