Thread: Is it legal for illegal aliens to be lobbying Congress?

When does a foreigner, making his opinion know to the US Congress (Which I think, but do not know, might be allowable under standard reciprocal treaties we have with nearly all foreign powers. ) cross the line into acting as an "agent?

When his president publically declairs he represents his country. for example

"Wherever there is a Mexican," he said, "that is Mexico."

President Felipe Calderón

Here is a "Foreign Nationals Brochure" from the FEC (July 2003). I briefly perused this, but you may want to look at the "Nonelection Activity by Foreign Nationals" section:

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/fore ... ochure.pdf

Well it wouldn't be up to us to decide if the person was an agent, as far as I am concerned they are. This is the accusation we should make. Let the courts decide. In fact I would say that this is a discussion that should be had. Overall our branches of government are overrun with foreign lobbyists, special interest groups and wealthy businessmen. The people have no voice.

I would say strategically that a case could be made that the fara act is being violated. It isn't for us to decide the case before making the accusation.

I SEARCHED AROUND AND COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO "ILLEGAL ALIENS". I ONLY COULD FIND BASICALLY "PAID AGENTS". BUT I GUESS ILLEGALS COULD BE CONSIDERED AGENTS IF THEY ARE BEING EVEN LOOSELY DIRECTED BY AN ORGANIZATION. HOWEVER WHAT I READ DID SPECIFY "PAID AGENTS". OF COURSE WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF AN ILLEGAL ALIEN IS PAID TO LOBBY. THEY COULD BE PAID IN CASH OR SOME OTHER FORM. I AM NOT SURE. MY NEXT PLAN IS TO ASK ON MESSAGE BOARDS AND IN CHAT. MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE WILL KNOW OR HAVE SOME IDEA OF HOW TO FIND OUT.

NO TAKERS FOR THIS TOPIC ON ANY MESSAGE BOARDS. ONLY ONE PERSON EVEN ANSWERED THE POST. THEY SAID NONE OF THE LOBBYISTS WERE ILLEGALS....LOL.

I FOUND THIS DOCUMENT THAT INCLUDES DEFINITIONS. IT DOES APPEAR THAT THEY WOULD AT LEAST HAVE TO REGISTER. READ IT OVER AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK. IT HAS UPDATES ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1938. ALSO I FOUND A LINK TO A FOREIGN LOBBYIST DATABASE. I GUESS IT INCLUDES THE REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN LOBBYISTS. IN CASE WE HAVE TO LOOK ANYONE UP.

FIRST THE LINK TO THE DATABASE:

DOJ DATABASE ON FOREIGN LOBBYISTS
http://freegovinfo.info/node/1225



http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin ... :+22USC611

From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access
[wais.access.gpo.gov]
[Laws in effect as of January 3, 2005]
[Document not affected by Public Laws enacted between
January 3, 2005 and August 25, 2006]
[CITE: 22USC611]


TITLE 22--FOREIGN RELATIONS AND INTERCOURSE

CHAPTER 11--FOREIGN AGENTS AND PROPAGANDA

SUBCHAPTER II--REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN PROPAGANDISTS

Sec. 611. Definitions

As used in and for the purposes of this subchapter--
(a) The term ``person'' includes an individual, partnership,
association, corporation, organization, or any other combination of
individuals;
(b) The term ``foreign principal'' includes--
(1) a government of a foreign country and a foreign political
party;
(2) a person outside of the United States, unless it is
established that such person is an individual and a citizen of and
domiciled within the United States, or that such person is not an
individual and is organized under or created by the laws of the
United States or of any State or other place subject to the
jurisdiction of the United States and has its principal place of
business within the United States; and
(3) a partnership, association, corporation, organization, or
other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having
its principal place of business in a foreign country.

(c) Expect \1\ as provided in subsection (d) of this section, the
term ``agent of a foreign principal'' means--
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(1) any person who acts as an agent, representative, employee,
or servant, or any person who acts in any other capacity at the
order, request, or under the direction or control, of a foreign
principal or of a person any of whose activities are directly or
indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed, or subsidized
in whole or in major part by a foreign principal, and who directly
or through any other person--
(i) engages within the United States in political activities
for or in the interests of such foreign principal;
(ii) acts within the United States as a public relations
counsel, publicity agent, information-service employee or
political consultant for or in the interests of such foreign
principal;
(iii) within the United States solicits, collects,
disburses, or dispenses contributions, loans, money, or other
things of value for or in the interest of such foreign
principal; or
(iv) within the United States represents the interests of
such foreign principal before any agency or official of the
Government of the United States; and

(2) any person who agrees, consents, assumes or purports to act
as, or who is or holds himself out to be, whether or not pursuant to
contractual relationship, an agent of a foreign principal as defined
in clause (1) of this subsection.

(d) The term ``agent of a foreign principal'' does not include any
news or press service or association organized under the laws of the
United States or of any State or other place subject to the jurisdiction
of the United States, or any newspaper, magazine, periodical, or other
publication for which there is on file with the United States Postal
Service information in compliance with section 3611 \2\ of title 39,
published in the United States, solely by virtue of any bona fide news
or journalistic activities, including the solicitation or acceptance of
advertisements, subscriptions, or other compensation therefor, so long
as it is at least 80 per centum beneficially owned by, and its officers
and directors, if any, are citizens of the United States, and such news
or press service or association, newspaper, magazine, periodical, or
other publication, is not owned, directed, supervised, controlled,
subsidized, or financed, and none of its policies are determined by any
foreign principal defined in subsection (b) of this section, or by any
agent of a foreign principal required to register under this subchapter;
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(e) The term ``government of a foreign country'' includes any person
or group of persons exercising sovereign de facto or de jure political
jurisdiction over any country, other than the United States, or over any
part of such country, and includes any subdivision of any such group and
any group or agency to which such sovereign de facto or de jure
authority or functions are directly or indirectly delegated. Such term
shall include any faction or body of insurgents within a country
assuming to exercise governmental authority whether such faction or body
of insurgents has or has not been recognized by the United States;
(f) The term ``foreign political party'' includes any organization
or any other combination of individuals in a country other than the
United States, or any unit or branch thereof, having for an aim or
purpose, or which is engaged in any activity devoted in whole or in part
to, the establishment, administration, control, or acquisition of
administration or control, of a government of a foreign country or a
subdivision thereof, or the furtherance or influencing of the political
or public interests, policies, or relations of a government of a foreign
country or a subdivision thereof;
(g) The term ``public-relations counsel'' includes any person who
engages directly or indirectly in informing, advising, or in any way
representing a principal in any public relations matter pertaining to
political or public interests, policies, or relations of such principal;
(h) The term ``publicity agent'' includes any person who engages
directly or indirectly in the publication or dissemination of oral,
visual, graphic, written, or pictorial information or matter of any
kind, including publication by means of advertising, books, periodicals,
newspapers, lectures, broadcasts, motion pictures, or otherwise;
(i) The term ``information-service employee'' includes any person
who is engaged in furnishing, disseminating, or publishing accounts,
descriptions, information, or data with respect to the political,
industrial, employment, economic, social, cultural, or other benefits,
advantages, facts, or conditions of any country other than the United
States or of any government of a foreign country or of a foreign
political party or of a partnership, association, corporation,
organization, or other combination of individuals organized under the
laws of, or having its principal place of business in, a foreign
country;
(j) Repealed. Pub. L. 104-65, Sec. 9(1)(A), Dec. 19, 1995, 109 Stat.
699.
(k) The term ``registration statement'' means the registration
statement required to be filed with the Attorney General under section
612(a) of this title, and any supplements thereto required to be filed
under section 612(b) of this title, and includes all documents and
papers required to be filed therewith or amendatory thereof or
supplemental thereto, whether attached thereto or incorporated therein
by reference;
(l) The term ``American republic'' includes any of the states which
were signatory to the Final Act of the Second Meeting of the Ministers
of Foreign Affairs of the American Republics at Habana, Cuba, July 30,
1940;
(m) The term ``United States'', when used in a geographical sense,
includes the several States, the District of Columbia, the Territories,
the Canal Zone, the insular possessions, and all other places now or
hereafter subject to the civil or military jurisdiction of the United
States;
(n) The term ``prints'' means newspapers and periodicals, books,
pamphlets, sheet music, visiting cards, address cards, printing proofs,
engravings, photographs, pictures, drawings, plans, maps, patterns to be
cut out, catalogs, prospectuses, advertisements, and printed, engraved,
lithographed, or autographed notices of various kinds, and, in general,
all impressions or reproductions obtained on paper or other material
assimilable to paper, on parchment or on cardboard, by means of
printing, engraving, lithography, autography, or any other easily
recognizable mechanical process, with the exception of the copying
press, stamps with movable or immovable type, and the typewriter;
(o) The term ``political activities'' means any activity that the
person engaging in believes will, or that the person intends to, in any
way influence any agency or official of the Government of the United
States or any section of the public within the United States with
reference to formulating, adopting, or changing the domestic or foreign
policies of the United States or with reference to the political or
public interests, policies, or relations of a government of a foreign
country or a foreign political party;
(p) The term ``political consultant'' means any person who engages
in informing or advising any other person with reference to the domestic
or foreign policies of the United States or the political or public
interest, policies, or relations of a foreign country or of a foreign
political party.

(June 8, 1938, ch. 327, Sec. 1, 52 Stat. 631; Aug. 7, 1939, ch. 521,
Sec. 1, 53 Stat. 1244; Apr. 29, 1942, ch. 263, Sec. 1, 56 Stat. 249;
Proc. No. 2695, July 4, 1946, 11 F.R. 7517, 60 Stat. 1352; Sept. 23,
1950, ch. 1024, title I, Sec. 20(a), 64 Stat. 1005; Aug. 1, 1956, ch.
849, Sec. 1, 70 Stat. 899; Pub. L. 87-366, Sec. 1, Oct. 4, 1961, 75
Stat. 784; Pub. L. 89-486, Sec. 1, July 4, 1966, 80 Stat. 244; Pub. L.
91-375, Sec. 6(k), Aug. 12, 1970, 84 Stat. 782; Pub. L. 104-65,
Sec. 9(1), Dec. 19, 1995, 109 Stat. 699.)

References in Text

For definition of Canal Zone, referred to in subsec. (m), see
section 3602(b) of this title.

Codification

Words ``including the Philippine Islands,'' omitted from definition
of ``United States'' in subsec. (m) pursuant to Proc. No. 2695, which
granted independence to the Philippines under the authority of section
1394 of this title, under which section Proc. No. 2695 is set out as a
note.


Amendments

1995--Subsec. (j). Pub. L. 104-65, Sec. 9(1)(A), struck out subsec.
(j) which read as follows: ``The term `political propaganda' includes
any oral, visual, graphic, written, pictorial, or other communication or
expression by any person (1) which is reasonably adapted to, or which
the person disseminating the same believes will, or which he intends to,
prevail upon, indoctrinate, convert, induce, or in any other way
influence a recipient or any section of the public within the United
States with reference to the political or public interests, policies, or
relations of a government of a foreign country or a foreign political
party or with reference to the foreign policies of the United States or
promote in the United States racial, religious, or social dissensions,
or (2) which advocates, advises, instigates, or promotes any racial,
social, political, or religious disorder, civil riot, or other conflict
involving the use of force or violence in any other American republic or
the overthrow of any government or political subdivision of any other
American republic by any means involving the use of force or violence.
As used in this subsection the term `disseminating' includes
transmitting or causing to be transmitted in the United States mails or
by any means or instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce or
offering or causing to be offered in the United States mails;''.
Subsec. (o). Pub. L. 104-65, Sec. 9(1)(B), substituted ``any
activity that the person engaging in believes will, or that the person
intends to, in any way influence'' for ``the dissemination of political
propaganda and any other activity which the person engaging therein
believes will, or which he intends to, prevail upon, indoctrinate,
convert, induce, persuade, or in any other way influence''.
Subsec. (p). Pub. L. 104-65, Sec. 9(1)(C), substituted a period for
semicolon at end.
Subsec. (q). Pub. L. 104-65, Sec. 9(1)(D), struck out subsec. (q)
which read as follows: ``For the purpose of section 613(d) of this
title, activities in furtherance of the bona fide commercial, industrial
or financial interests of a domestic person engaged in substantial
commercial, industrial or financial operations in the United States
shall not be deemed to serve predominantly a foreign interest because
such activities also benefit the interests of a foreign person engaged
in bona fide trade or commerce which is owned or controlled by, or which
owns or controls, such domestic person: Provided, That (i) such foreign
person is not, and such activities are not directly or indirectly
supervised, directed, controlled, financed or subsidized in whole or in
substantial part by, a government of a foreign country or a foreign
political party, (ii) the identity of such foreign person is disclosed
to the agency or official of the United States with whom such activities
are conducted, and (iii) whenever such foreign person owns or controls
such domestic person, such activities are substantially in furtherance
of the bona fide commercial, industrial or financial interests of such
domestic person.''
1970--Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 91-375 substituted ``file with the United
States Postal Service information in compliance with section 3611 of
title 39'' for ``file with the Postmaster General a sworn statement in
compliance with section 2 of the Act of August 24, 1912 (37 Stat. 553),
as amended''.
1966--Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 89-486, Sec. 1(1), redesignated former
pars. (3) and (4) as (2) and (3), substituted in such par. (3)
``combination of persons'' for ``combination of individuals'' and struck
out from definition of ``foreign principal'' former pars. (2), (5), and
(6) which included ``(2) an individual affiliated or associated with, or
supervised, directed, controlled, financed, or subsidized, in whole or
in part, by any foreign principal defined in clause (1) of this
subsection''; ``(5) a domestic partnership, association, corporation,
organization, or other combination of individuals, subsidized directly
or indirectly, in whole or in part, by any foreign principal defined in
clause (1), (3), or (4) of this subsection''; and ``(6) a domestic
partnership, association, corporation, or other combination of
individuals, supervised, directed, controlled, or financed, in whole or
in substantial part, by any foreign government or foreign political
party''.
Subsec. (c). Pub. L. 89-486, Sec. 1(2), amended provisions generally
to redefine ``agent of a foreign principal'' by specifying four
categories of activities creating the agency relationship where person
acts as agent, employee, representative, or servant or at the order of,
or under the control of, a foreign principal, by requiring a showing not
only of foreign connections but also of certain activities performed by
the agent for foreign interests, by making change as it relates to
problem of indirect control exerted by foreign principals over their
agents, by including political activities and actions as political
consultant, by excluding attorneys from the relationship, by
incorporating provisions of former par. (3) in par. (2) where a person
assumes or purports to act as an agent of a foreign principal, and by
eliminating the separate category for military or governmental officials
contained in former par. (4).
Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 89-486, Sec. 1(3), struck out ``clause (1),
(2), or (4) of'' before ``subsection (b)''.
Subsec. (g). Pub. L. 89-486, Sec. 1(4), inserted ``public
relations'' before ``matter pertaining to'' and ``of such principal''
after ``or relations''.
Subsecs. (o) to (q). Pub. L. 89-486, Sec. 1(5), added subsecs. (o)
to (q).
1961--Subsec. (b)(6). Pub. L. 87-366 added par. (6).
1956--Subsec. (c)(5). Act Aug. 1, 1956, repealed par. (5) which
included within definition of ``agent of a foreign principal'' any
person trained in foreign espionage systems with certain exceptions. See
sections 851 and 852 of Title 50, War and National Defense.
1950--Subsec. (c)(5). Act Sept. 23, 1950, added par. (5).
1942--Act Apr. 29, 1942, amended section generally to redefine terms
used in this subchapter.
1939--Act Aug. 7, 1939, amended section generally to redefine terms
used in this subchapter.


Effective Date of 1995 Amendment

Amendment by Pub. L. 104-65 effective Jan. 1, 1996, except as
otherwise provided, see section 24 of Pub. L. 104-65, set out as an
Effective Date note under section 1601 of Title 2, The Congress.


Effective Date of 1970 Amendment

Amendment by Pub. L. 91-375 effective within 1 year after Aug. 12,
1970, on date established therefor by Board of Governors of United
States Postal Service and published by it in Federal Register, see
section 15(a) of Pub. L. 91-375, set out as an Effective Date note
preceding section 101 of Title 39, Postal Service.


Effective Date of 1966 Amendment

Section 9 of Pub. L. 89-486 provided that: ``This Act [enacting
sections 219 and 613 of Title 18, Crimes and Criminal Procedure, and
amending this section and sections 612 to 616 and 618 of this title]
shall take effect ninety days after the date of its enactment [July 4,
1966].''


Effective Date of 1942 Amendment

Section 3 of act Apr. 29, 1942, provided that: ``This Act [amending
this subchapter] shall take effect on the sixtieth day after the date of
its approval, except that prior to such sixtieth day the Attorney
General may make, prescribe, amend, and rescind such rules, regulations,
and forms as may be necessary to carry out the provisions of this Act
[amending this subchapter].''


Effective Date

Section 7 of act June 8, 1938, provided that: ``This Act [enacting
this subchapter] shall take effect on the ninetieth day after the date
of its enactment [June 8, 1938].''


Short Title

Section 14 of act June 8, 1938, as added by act Apr. 29, 1942,
Sec. 1, provided that: ``This Act [enacting this subchapter] may be
cited as the `Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938, as amended'.''


Separability; Effect on Existing Law

Sections 12 and 13 of act June 8, 1938, as added by act Apr. 29,
1942, Sec. 1, provided that:
``Sec. 12. If any provision of this Act [enacting this subchapter],
or the application thereof to any person or circumstances, is held
invalid, the remainder of the Act, and the application of such
provisions to other persons or circumstances, shall not be affected
thereby.
``Sec. 13. This Act [enacting this subchapter] is an addition to and
not in substitution for any other existing statute.''

Transfer of Functions

Section 2 of act Apr. 29, 1942, provided that: ``Upon the effective
date of this Act [see Effective Date of 1942 Amendment note above], all
powers, duties, and functions of the Secretary of State under the Act of
June 8, 1938 (52 Stat. 631), as amended [this subchapter], shall be
transferred to and become vested in the Attorney General, together with
all property, books, records, and unexpended balances of appropriations
used by or available to the Secretary of State for carrying out the
functions devolving on him under the above-cited Act. All rules,
regulations, and forms which have been issued by the Secretary of State
pursuant to the provisions of said Act, and which are in effect, shall
continue in effect until modified, superseded, revoked, or repealed.''


Policy and Purpose of Subchapter

Act Apr. 29, 1942, amending generally act June 8, 1938, added an
opening paragraph preceding section 1 of the latter act and reading as
follows: ``It is hereby declared to be the policy and purpose of this
Act [enacting this subchapter] to protect the national defense, internal
security, and foreign relations of the United States by requiring public
disclosure by persons engaging in propaganda activities and other
activities for or on behalf of foreign governments, foreign political
parties, and other foreign principals so that the Government and the
people of the United States may be informed of the identity of such
persons and may appraise their statements and actions in the light of
their associations and activities.''

This is perhaps the single biggest problem I see with our government today: the rights of citizens equal to the rights of corporations and other fictitious entities. I'm sure Osama Bin Laden owns some stock of Citigroup or Merck or even freakin Google, and as his agent they can tell our representatives what to do. Now he's just the worst example. I want my leaders voting in my interests, not in the interests of the public teachers pension of Japan, or the House of Saud, or anyone else.

I ust did a quick search

Found this

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ap ... bbyist.htm

Scroll down and I believe it's illegal, lobbying that is


Scept

I don't really think it matters. It is unconstitutional to pass retro-active laws, but that does not stop them. It is unconstitutional to have searches without warrants, again, they ignore that. The 10th amendment is really no more. freedom of speech is only applicable if the powers that be agree with it and it offends no liberal. I really don't think any law we find would matter.

The last week or so is taking a toll on me. I think i need to go get an attitude adjustment.

I am not sure if this will help but if you page down toward the end of this site it states donations from foreign countries. This is the George Soros website. I found it alarming how much funding goes into lobbying for the Judicial system in the U.S. It would be wonderful to do something to stop this organization. They mentioned Zimbabwe and were all concerned and fighting for the people to have free press, and not one word about the genocide against the white farmers after the U.N. turned the country over to the people they thought deserved it. No where on this site does it mention the white race. What scares me is that when I listen to the Democrats speak on behalf of their bills or amendments it sounds like their words are taken right off the pages of sites like these. There is alot of outside interference, the old leader of the National Counsel of La Raza did a poll about the use of the word amnesty and found that people were very against it, so he advised Fox of Mexico to use other wording and to stay away from the word amnesty.
Anyway here is the site.
http://www.soros.org/resources/articles ... mplete.pdf