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    Limiting Immigration: It’s Not Just For ‘Racist’ Republicans

    Posted By Will Racke On 12:21 PM 08/20/2017

    Limiting immigration has been called racist. Some have said it’s an affront to American values and the product of a “white nationalist agenda.”

    It even sparked an impromptu, nationally televised debate between a CNN reporter and a White House official about the true symbolic meaning of the Statue of Liberty.

    The idea that the U.S. currently accepts too many — and the wrong kind of — immigrants is among the most divisive in contemporary politics.

    When Republican Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue earlier in August unveiled the RAISE Act, a bill that would reduce legal immigration levels by half over a decade and move the U.S. to a skills-based system, progressive and minority activist groups were quick to denounce the proposal, saying that it was motivated by conservative animus toward people of color.

    But the bill, or at least the general idea behind it, does have the support of some organizations within the sprawling social justice movement and among influential members of the progressive intelligentsia. In a rare bit of ideological alignment, they are putting forward many of the same arguments for reducing immigration as do the RAISE Act’s mostly conservative backers.

    Questioning the conventional wisdom

    Cotton and Perdue claim that America’s immigration system, as currently constituted, puts “great downward pressure on people who work with their hands and work on their feet.”

    “Now, for some people, they may think that that’s a symbol of America’s virtue and generosity,” Cotton said while introducing the RAISE Act at a White House ceremony. “I think it’s a symbol that we’re not committed to working-class Americans.”

    Tom Broadwater, the president of Americans4Work, is one activist who wholeheartedly backs that assertion.

    His group bills itself as a citizen advocacy organization that seeks better economic opportunities for black and Hispanic-American citizens, veterans, the disabled and young people. Its political orientation is nonpartisan. Some of its policy prescriptions, such as criminal justice reform and stricter employment discrimination laws, are longtime liberal causes, while others like school choice have their origin in conservative or libertarian thought.

    Broadwater, who is black, has no small amount of scorn for both the Republican and Democratic parties, which he says have “disadvantaged and damaged” the people Americans4Work represents. He believes Democrats deserve particular opprobrium, however, because they have endorsed a “progressive line” that insists all African-Americans agree with fellow “people of color” on the need for high levels of immigration.

    “They presume that African Americans believe that illegal aliens, and continued onslaughts of legal immigrants, are helping [them] put food on the table,” Broadwater told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “And they are completely wrong about that.”

    Broadwater dismisses out of hand the notion many liberal journalists and activists suggest — that limiting immigration is somehow a racist policy against minority groups. In case of the RAISE Act, he claims black and native-born Hispanic-Americans stand to benefit most from shrinking the supply of low-skill immigrants.

    “The RAISE Act is a blessing for African-American citizens, for Hispanic-American citizens, and for everybody we represent,” he said. “It will curb a very disturbing economically damaging impact that all of this unbridled immigration has had on the country, on the labor economics of this country over the last 20 years.”

    While economists generally agree that high levels of immigration boost a country’s overall economic output and, in certain cases, create jobs for the native-born, there is much less consensus about how those gains are distributed within the population. George Borjas, a Harvard economist and leading scholar of immigration and labor economics, argues that a mass influx of low-skilled immigrants hurts Americans on the bottom rungs of the socioeconomic ladder.

    In a 2016 article for Politico Magazine, Borjas noted that the average high school dropout in the U.S. earns about $25,000 annually. Over the last two decades, immigration has increased the size of America’s low-skilled workforce by roughly 25 percent, resulting in a loss of earnings within the vulnerable population of non-diploma holders by as much as $1,500 per year, or 6 percent of income. Nevertheless, mass immigration’s downward pressure on wages is often overlooked because it occurs alongside net growth in gross domestic product (GDP).

    “Somebody’s lower wage is always somebody else’s higher profit,” Borjas wrote. “In this case, immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer. And the additional profits are so large that the economic pie accruing to all natives actually grows.”

    As Borjas and others have pointed out, this regressive wealth transfer is seldom discussed in mainstream media because the organizations that set the terms of the debate — employers of immigrant labor, Democratic-aligned tech companies, and left-wing activist groups — are the same ones that profit from high levels of immigration.

    Winners and losers

    Some high-profile liberal journalists now doubt that mass immigration is good for the people on whose behalf progressive politics are supposedly organized: the poor and working class. In an Aug. 9 essay entitled “Making the Democratic case for restricting immigration,” Vanity Fair contributor T.A. Frank argued that stricter border enforcement and reduced legal immigration would ultimately benefit native-born Americans in low-wage sectors of the economy.

    “With the share of low-skill workers becoming smaller, many sorts of employment would start to pay better: home care, security work, massage therapy, dishwashing, gardening, housekeeping, cleaning, construction, gardening, manufacturing,” he wrote. “Out in the fields, agricultural wages would likewise start to rise little by little.”

    Peter Beinart is another influential liberal writer who says contemporary Democratic thinking about immigration has become detached from the party’s roots as an advocate for working-class Americans. As he noted in a piece for The Atlantic in July, many liberal thought leaders as recently as the mid-2000s were ambivalent about mass immigration. Leading liberals such as economist Paul Krugman and then-Senator Barack Obama readily admitted that importing more than a million low-skill immigrants every year depressed the wages of American workers and put enormous strain on the nation’s welfare system.

    Today, publicly acknowledging the downsides to mass immigration is something of a third rail in progressive politics, largely due to the influence of two groups: pro-immigration activists and the technology sector, according to Beinart. Because Democrats depend on the votes of the former and fundraising by the latter, they are reluctant to admit that America’s immigration system “pits two of the groups liberals care about most — the native-born poor and the immigrant poor — against each other,” Beinart wrote.

    Kevin Lynn, the executive director of Progressives for Immigration Reform, says Democrats will continue to lose favor with native-born, working-class Americans if they refuse to touch the sensitive subject of who wins and who loses under the current immigration regime. President Donald Trump made immigration a centerpiece of his 2016 presidential campaign, cleaving off traditional Democratic voters who had become disillusioned with the party’s views on mass immigration, among other complaints.

    “The people that voted for Trump, or simply didn’t vote for Clinton, they’re bearing the brunt of this,” Lynn told TheDCNF. “They realize that things like unbridled immigration really is a tool of the ‘corporatocracy’ to push the flow of capital and talent around the world, regardless of national boundaries.”

    “It’s the working people that have really been the most vulnerable to this, between offshoring, robotization and immigration,” he added.

    Ironically, many dyed-in-the-wool conservatives like Cotton and Perdue now offer similar justifications for curtailing immigration, albeit with less anti-corporate rhetoric. Under Trump, Republicans have used immigration restrictionism to claim the mantle of the party of the downtrodden American worker, something they haven’t managed to do since the “Reagan Democrat” phenomenon of the 1980s.

    Vanity Fair’s Frank says the Democratic Party can take a page from that book if it is willing to concede that its policy goals are imperiled by “laissez-faire immigration.”

    “Most problems that the left hopes to solve — poverty, bad schools, stagnant wages, homelessness, climate change — would instead be alleviated by more modest levels of immigration,” he wrote.

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    We actually need a 10 to 20 year moratorium on all immigration. This country and our citizens are suffering because of excess legal immigration. Congress has totally sold out the American people on trade and immigration issues for decades. It's why Trump ran for President. It's why he was elected. It's also why he will be re-elected even if Republicans do not gain seats in 2018, and even possibly lose some.

    Republicans in Congress need to all get on the Trump Train or face dire consequences in the mid-terms. You can't run your mouths for 7 years about repealing Obamacare and then fight a President trying to end it. You can't ride on slogans of stopping illegal immigration while refusing to fund the wall, increase funding for immigration control and deportations to get the job done, or pass simple little bills that authorize state and local law enforcement to enforce US immigration law and end anchor baby citizenship.

    Republicans in Congress also need to acknowledge they had their heads up their rears on Syria. Trump has solved this outrageous problem in 5 months, something you all failed to do in 6 years. Trump has also cleaned up your 14 year terrorism mess in Iraq and will soon clean up your 15 year Taliban disaster in Afghanistan. And if anyone thinks for a minute that Trump will let Christmas will come while North Korea has nuclear weapons aimed at the United States, they surely must think again.

    What this President has achieved both in foreign affairs and domestic policy in 7 short months is unprecedented. And he has done it with no help from Congress, no help from the Courts, very little help from the States but some, and no help at all from the Republican Establishment.

    You can hide behind Left-Wing Phony Race Cards all day long until you lose your seats for being traitors or do-nothings, your choice, while CORRUPT MEDIA distorts, misrepresents, ignores or even plots counter-strikes against this President, all day long, but when election time comes, it will be Trump telling his own story, putting up his own charts, explaining the accomplishments, detailing the achievements, and you won't have enough time in the day to catch up with the Trump Train that left you standing at the station waiting for a buggy that never showed.

    In the United States, everyone loves a doer and adores a winner. This dangerous game of plots and schemes to take down this Presidency has already failed, because that's a game Trump was fully prepared to win and winning he is.

    GO TRUMP GO!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Posted By Will Racke On 12:21 PM 08/20/2017

    Limiting immigration has been called racist. Some have said it’s an affront to American values and the product of a “white nationalist agenda.”
    Said the people with cushy government jobs in politics, namely out-of-touch Democrats.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Cotton and Perdue claim that America’s immigration system, as currently constituted, puts “great downward pressure on people who work with their hands and work on their feet.”
    Bingo! Give this man a prize! Yeah, how dare we be so selfish to not want to be put out on the street and become homeless in order to give our jobs away to people who came here illegally and are also drastically lowering the wages on the remaining blue collar jobs in this country. How dare we?! We're monsters I tell ya, we're monsters!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Broadwater, who is black, has no small amount of scorn for both the Republican and Democratic parties, which he says have “disadvantaged and damaged” the people Americans4Work represents. He believes Democrats deserve particular opprobrium, however, because they have endorsed a “progressive line” that insists all African-Americans agree with fellow “people of color” on the need for high levels of immigration.
    OMG!!!! It's like listening to exactly everything I've been saying all along. Finally!! Someone who gets it!! And an African American at that, who isn't disillusioned and deceived by the lies that the democrats have been feeding his community all these decades.

    Judy!!!.....Judy!!!!......You're my witness!!.......Haven't I been saying this SAME EXACT thing from the beginning?! Finally!! African Americans are starting to get it! They are the ones who have been hardest hit by illegal immigration, which has devastated their communities. Hallelujah!! African Americans are finally starting to see the light, instead of being disillusioned by the democrat lies fed to them. The truth is finally being seen! I LOVE IT!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    “They presume that African Americans believe that illegal aliens, and continued onslaughts of legal immigrants, are helping [them] put food on the table,” Broadwater told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “And they are completely wrong about that.”
    Yes! Yes they are Mr. Broadwater! Yes the are! Free your people! Get your people jobs, and good paying jobs! Stop this insanity the democrats have forced upon us with waves and waves of job-stealing illegal immigration! You're a good man and a smart and logical man Mr. Broadwater!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Broadwater dismisses out of hand the notion many liberal journalists and activists suggest — that limiting immigration is somehow a racist policy against minority groups. In case of the RAISE Act, he claims black and native-born Hispanic-Americans stand to benefit most from shrinking the supply of low-skill immigrants.
    Exactly Mr. Broadwater. It's a lie that Americans against illegal immigration are racist, in order to get us to shut up. Unfortunately for them, Americans are starting to wake up. Especially Americans of color. And yes, you are absolutely correct when you say that black and native-born hispanic Americans stand to benefit most.

    Actually hearing an African American say what I've been saying all along makes me so gosh-darn ficken happy, I just want to scream from excitement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    YES!!! I am your witness!!!

    I knew I could count on you Judy!

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    I knew I could count on you Judy!
    ALWAYS!!

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