Thread: Mayan Calendar news calls Chicago cops Nazis!

Well, if they cant stand us " RACIEST HATE NAZIS" then why are they here, in OUR COUNTRY. Yet they come here to OUR COUNTRY, and yell NAZIS to us, but yet if they HATE US, and this Country so much then why are you here???

Originally Posted by koobster

Well, if they cant stand us " RACIEST HATE NAZIS" then why are they here, in OUR COUNTRY. Yet they come here to OUR COUNTRY, and yell NAZIS to us, but yet if they HATE US, and this Country so much then why are you here???

They're here to take over any which way they can and that will include degrading us as a culture. Calderon too, he tries and convince that the liars, murderers, villans, rapers that he has sent her are Mexico's best.

Originally Posted by koobster

Well, if they cant stand us " RACIEST HATE NAZIS" then why are they here, in OUR COUNTRY. Yet they come here to OUR COUNTRY, and yell NAZIS to us, but yet if they HATE US, and this Country so much then why are you here???

GOOD QUESTION KOOBSTER.

THERE ARE SO MANY COUNTRIES TO GO TO, I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY KEEP COMING TO THE ONE COUNTRY THAT THEY ALL SEEM TO HATE SO MUCH.

AND SINCE THEY INSIST ON SPEAKING ONLY SPANISH, YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD GO TO A SPANISH SPEAKING COUNTRY.....A COUNTRY TO WHICH THEY ARE MORE CULTURALLY INCLINED.

IT SEEMS RATHER SILLY FOR SOME MANY MILLIONS OF HISPANIC MIGRANTS TO CHOOSE THE COUNTRY THEY HATE THE MOST AS THEIR DESTINATION.

Hey all,
I can't believe it, but my letter actually got a response. He actually appears well versed, if not indirectly insulting Would anyone care to post rebuttals that I might forward to Mr. Perez?

Dear Mr. Perez,

I was forwarded your e-mail (below) and wanted to write and ask for clarification about a few things regarding it.

First, are you speaking of legal or illegal immigrants in your message? You made no distinction. If legal immigrants are being arrested without just cause, I couldn't agree more that something must be done about it. But if you are speaking of illegal immigrants, they have no legal right to be here, and therefore don't have "civil liberties or Constitutional rights" as you mentioned. Those are reserved for those here legally.

Yes, legal immigrants are being arrested and detained without just cause. Yes, undocumented immigrants are being areetsed and detained without just cause. Constitutional rights/civil liberties apply to anyone that is physically in the USA. The Declaration of Independence states categorically that these rights are inalienable to all human beings. There is also the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights, the Geneva Convention, that also apply to unlawful arrest and detention. All of this is based on the principles first delcared in the Magna Carta of 13th century England.

As you are a new reader of my MCN, you are obviously ignorant of the facts that I have laid out ever since 9/11-2001, of the intent to establish a NATIONAL GESTAPO POLICE STATE, under the guise of immigration enforcement/immigration reform proposals.

This policy has been spelled out in the HR 4437 (Sensenbrenner/King bill), The STRIVE ACT, and the grand Compromise of the criminal Bush administration.

This includes federalization of local, county and state police, giving police the authority to determine one's immigreant status without any rights to due process or right to a court hearing before a judge.

As these aforementioned proposals never passed in the last session of Congress, YOUR PRESIDENT (not mine) has used the power of executive orders to enact many of these policies.

Right now there are over 25, 000 people being held indefinitely in "DETENTION CENTERS", I CALL THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS, who are being denied access to attorneys, bail, due process rights, etc....

Now, if that is not a form of Nazi Gestapo POLICE POWERS, then there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

Second, even though we might stand on different sides of this issue, I think we can both agree that both sides could benefit from a meaningful dialog. La Raza, the SPLC, and many other groups have called for an end to the "hate" rhetoric. Would you agree that such rhetoric serves no meaningful purpose other to degrade others and stall progress?

If so, I'm really confused because you use the words Nazi and Gestapo quite liberally in your message. Furthermore, you use it to describe law enforcement officials who are only guilty of enforcing the law.

How fast we forget our history! The same defense used by the Waffen SS, the Gestapo, they were only "following orders" during the Holocaust of european jews, gypsies, masons, homosexuals, etc.

It becomes very easy to "dehumanize" a sector of society's "undesireables".....Hitler and Geobbles demonized the european jews so much with their nazi propaganda, that even devout religious germans committed unspeakable atrocities. So, are we now to defend the CPD and the Cook County Sherrifs who know the law, and defend their compliance with actions that are unconstitutional and against all accepted standards of human rights.

You seem to forget, that Chicago has a long history of police corruption: protecting drug traffickers, taking bribes, soliciting sex from minors/prostitutes, killing innocent civilians without cause, torture......these aren't choir boys nor are they fine upstanding citizens, all too often they are more than willing to "bend the law"....just to satisfy their own biases and prejudices......

To me, that is what being nazi gestapo is all about.

Your entitiled to your opinion. So am I!

I have a relative who is a retired U.S. marine captain. When I explained to him what was happening in the USA around immigration enforcement, he blurted out, "they can't do that, it is unconstitutional, and against federal law"!

I had to tell him that this is what is exactly taking place in the USA today...the government of the USA, and local law enforcement are in violation of federal laws, and violating the Constitution of the USA!!

I know, I know, Chicago is a sanctuary city. How DARE the police actually follow the law, right? If what you wrote is happening, nobody is more surprised than me. But I'm certainly not going to compare them with a WWII anti-semitic regime simply for following the law. Can you really subscribe to ending hateful rhetoric when you still use it so liberally? Can you defend a position that law enforcement should ignore those breaking the law (it is currently against the law to stay here illegally, as is aiding and abetting, and identity theft)?

Being in the USA with out authorization (for first time undocumented persons) IS NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.....it is a civil offense, with due process rights for a court hearing, and determination of immigrant status, under federal law.

REMEMBER, under the US CONSTITUTION, YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. THE POLICE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT OR POWER TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION....THAT IS DECIDED IN A COURT OF LAW, WITH DUE PROCESS RIGHTS, AND RIGHTS TO AN ATTORNEY.

When people are railroaded into prison, held against their will, denied their due process and constitutional rights to a court hearing, bail, immigration review, deported without cause....I CALL THAT A NAZI GESTAPO POLICE STATE!!!

Wouldn't you agree!?!?!

Mr. Perez, I'm the first to admit that our immigration policy (and country in general) needs a major overhaul. Those seeking a better life deserve better options than we have now. But demanding that the law not be applied to those who already broke it is just plain folly. To demand rights that weren't earned while hurling insults to anyone that opposes is downright bullying.

The Declaration of Independence states that these rights are inalienable....they are not "earned" as you obviously are unaware......these rights apply to anyone who is physically on the soil of the USA....."the land of the free"....this is not Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, North Korea, etc..... ALL PEOPLE HAVE INALIENABLE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!

Your argument is prediacted on that undocumented people have no such rights. You are wrong! Plain and simple. This is the 21st century, not the 1600's. Wake up Rip Van Winkle!!!

I, for one, will not be bullied Mr. Perez. However, should immigration advocates decide they want a meaningful, "hate-free" dialog I'll happily volunteer.

You are not being bullied John..... my people are being bullied, arrested, dehumanized, and persecuted. This is not about you.....it is about them......but....mark my words....if "we" do not stop this nazi gestapo police state powers now!!!!....eventually...it will be "you" too.

I love the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution of the USA, the Bill of Rights...I am an American Revolutionary....VIVA 1776!!!! Too bad most americans have forgotten their history...and the real meaning of the american revolution....The Declaration of Independence....The Constitution of the USA!!!

I declare, as did Patrick Henry, "give me liberty, or give me death"!

Carlos Perez

Founder/Editor

Mayan Calendar News

Originally Posted by Squire

The Declaration of Independence states categorically that these rights are inalienable to all human beings.

The Declaration of Independence was a Declaration of War, by Americans against England. If they want those rights they need to fight and die for them in their own country just like Americans did.

The end result of our Declaration of Independence and Revolution was the US Constitution, which applies only to American citizens. Nowhere does it say it applies to everyone who sets foot in the USA.

Originally Posted by Squire

Right now there are over 25,000 people being held indefinitely in "DETENTION CENTERS", I CALL THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS, who are being denied access to attorneys, bail, due process rights, etc....

The Courts do not allow these people to be held INDEFINITELY, I think the time limit is 18 months. I think most of them have been ordered deported and are waiting for their home countries to take them back.

Originally Posted by Squire

When people are railroaded into prison, held against their will,

This is an idiotic statement, EVERYBODY in prison is held against their will!

This is just the typical rhetoric of these OBLer's constant drone of whining.

They cannot argue the facts of how someone entering our sovereign nation, has committed a crime and then when caught with stolen ID/SSNO's is also guilty of identity theft, in any way, as they cannot argue with the absolute truth of the situation, so they try to make it into some "human rights" issue, and attempt to garner support this way by making these people sound innocent of any wrong doing.

You know the kind "we didn't cross the border, the border crossed us" kind.....

Notwithstanding that we have had laws and this same border for over 100 years now, long before any of these people were alive, so I think it pretty much supercede's them and their lust for American goods stolen with false ID's.

This mans words to me are like the adult speak on those old Charlie Brown cartoons "wha-wha,wha,wha,wha", it all melds together with all the other hand wringing, guilt induced libertards whining for those "poor immigrants".

Carlos Perez is an ignorant creep.

This is purely a display of how the Latino community (both legal and illegal) feel how Chicago is their “destinyâ€