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    Military path, a way to US citizenship

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01500.html

    I did a search and found this. I think it shows some interesting points. It might not be a bad idea to promote illegals to US citizenships if they serve in the military.

    The war in Iraq is a good opportunity for many that would qualify.

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    I disagree. I think this is a security concern. They are not enlisting to serve this country, they are enlisting to cheat the system. You wouldn't be saying that if a bunch of Iraqis were down at your local recruiter's office signing up. I don't want to train anyone that might turn on us. We have enought home grown problems like Tim McVeigh for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie
    I disagree. I think this is a security concern. They are not enlisting to serve this country, they are enlisting to cheat the system. You wouldn't be saying that if a bunch of Iraqis were down at your local recruiter's office signing up. I don't want to train anyone that might turn on us. We have enought home grown problems like Tim McVeigh for instance.

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    This might be a way to complement the draft. If they are willing to die in the front line I do not see what can be so wrong about it.

    Many foreigners become US citizens without firing a single shot for this country.Also, many of those legalized (or naturalized) citizens, if you catch my drift, do not love this country anymore than some of the illegals.

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    Latino gangs utilize the military to get their members training in weapons and tactics.

    You want people in the military who actually believe in the US, not destroy it.

    Visit the OJJPAC web site and read about the pilot who was transporting over 200,000 Extacy pills into the US on a US Air Force jet.

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    The US military does not knowingly take illegal aliens. The only foreign nationals that are allowed to enlist are those that are already green card holders.

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    As an active duty serviceman I have only one response to this suggestion


    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

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    patton wrote:

    I did a search and found this. I think it shows some interesting points. It might not be a bad idea to promote illegals to US citizenships if they serve in the military.
    IMHO, that would just be another amensty. What's the difference in fining illegals $2,000 and making them serve 12 months in the military. These folks have broken the law by crossing our border illegally, the only option I'm okay with is sending them home or making it so difficult for them in the United States that they self-deport. Rewarding them with three meals a day (or food allowance), a regular paycheck, free housing for family (or housing allowance), various military discounts for member and family, a $250,000 life insurance policy, free dental, free medical for themselves and family, and U.S. Citizenship is a reward, which makes it another version of amnesty!

    Furthermore, inviting them into the military would create other problems too. I don't think it's a secret that many of them either have poor English skills or none at all and the majority of them are uneducated. Are these the sort of troops you would want to command or cover your back? As a retired military member, take my word for it, they would create more problems than they would solve. I have no wish to see our military forces degraded by a group of law breaking, non-English speaking, uneducated folks thinking the military is their ticket to citizenship. Currently the requirement to serve in the military includes a high school diploma or equivalency certificate. I would suspect you wouldn't find many illegal immigrants that would fill the bill. Do you propose we make an exception? Additionally, many of our kids serving today have had fathers, grandfather, etc. serve and they know the history of our wars and country. While these things aren't necessary, they do help to instill a sense of patriotism and pride in country that would be missing with the illegals. Once again, not many illegals would fall into that category. In other words, I'd have to question their allegiance to country and flag!

    Not only no, but hell no!

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    No Way!

    There is no way these ALIENS belong in the military. I do get the feeling that this gov. is up to no good with this plan. Let them enlist known gang members and sharpen their skills for drug wars,revolution!The gangs are already using grenades,AK-47s so what do they want them to form armies?Is this a set up or what, train jungle fighters and in the mean time have the boarder guards retreat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnB2012
    The US military does not knowingly take illegal aliens. The only foreign nationals that are allowed to enlist are those that are already green card holders.
    I believe you are right and I stand corrected here.

    In that case why not give an opportunity to Green Card Holders to attain their US citizenship in a shorter period of time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW
    patton wrote:

    I did a search and found this. I think it shows some interesting points. It might not be a bad idea to promote illegals to US citizenships if they serve in the military.
    IMHO, that would just be another amensty. What's the difference in fining illegals $2,000 and making them serve 12 months in the military. These folks have broken the law by crossing our border illegally, the only option I'm okay with is sending them home or making it so difficult for them in the United States that they self-deport. Rewarding them with three meals a day (or food allowance), a regular paycheck, free housing for family (or housing allowance), various military discounts for member and family, a $250,000 life insurance policy, free dental, free medical for themselves and family, and U.S. Citizenship is a reward, which makes it another version of amnesty!

    Furthermore, inviting them into the military would create other problems too. I don't think it's a secret that many of them either have poor English skills or none at all and the majority of them are uneducated. Are these the sort of troops you would want to command or cover your back? As a retired military member, take my word for it, they would create more problems than they would solve. I have no wish to see our military forces degraded by a group of law breaking, non-English speaking, uneducated folks thinking the military is their ticket to citizenship. Currently the requirement to serve in the military includes a high school diploma or equivalency certificate. I would suspect you wouldn't find many illegal immigrants that would fill the bill. Do you propose we make an exception? Additionally, many of our kids serving today have had fathers, grandfather, etc. serve and they know the history of our wars and country. While these things aren't necessary, they do help to instill a sense of patriotism and pride in country that would be missing with the illegals. Once again, not many illegals would fall into that category. In other words, I'd have to question their allegiance to country and flag!

    Not only no, but hell no!
    Maybe Green Card Holders and not illegals, that pass a qualifying test, can get an opportunity to obtain their citizenships in a shorter period of time.

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