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    A New Spin on Hate

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    Wednesday, August 10, 2005

    A new spin on hate

    A new chapter in the ugly history of hate groups apparently is being written, with the Southeast playing an increasing role in going after a new target: Hispanics.

    The June indictment of former Klansman Daniel Schertz, of southeast Tennessee, on charges of building pipe bombs to kill Hispanic immigrants, recently shone light on this shameful trend.

    Acts of vandalism and intimidation directed toward Hispanics, reminiscent of past assaults on blacks and Jews, also have made headlines this year in towns such as Maryville, Tenn., and Hamilton, Ohio.

    Anti-immigrant sentiment may have taken less overt forms here in North Carolina, but it undeniably exists. Perhaps most notably so far this year, it flared in reactions to a bill that proposed in-state tuition at colleges and universities for illegal immigrants meeting certain criteria.

    Such hostile responses, directed at legislators who supported the bill and other advocates, reflect tensions that have risen across the state and region since Hispanic immigrants, legal and illegal, began coming to the South in unprecedented numbers in the 1990s.

    Of course, there's a difference between hateful speech and documented acts of violence. But as noted by David Lubell of the Tennessee Immigrant and Refugee Rights Coalition, the supremacist rhetoric of hate groups can encourage violent acts. "It is what happened in the civil rights movement. All of a sudden it is acceptable to incite hatred of immigrants, whether Latino, or from Africa, or Asia or wherever."

    As troubling and unacceptable as that is in 2005, we should be equally disturbed if, as immigrant advocates believe, occurrences of hate crimes against Hispanics are hard to measure because they are underreported for fear of deportation or retaliation.

    Or because, according to Ilana Dubester of Hispanic Liaison, a nonprofit assistance group in Siler City, authorities choose not to characterize some incidents as hate crimes -- even when Hispanics have been targeted for attack by non-Latinos and racial slurs have been used during the attacks.

    Dubester can recall several such cases in Chatham County over the last few years and said they contribute to a general fear of reporting crime in the area's Hispanic community. "It paralyzes a community that's already marginalized and living in an underground economy and world."

    Dubester's comments speak to an old and odious strategy. And there's only one word for retooling that strategy for a new target: evil.

    Klan leader Billy Jeffery, who banished Schertz from the North Georgia White Knights and denies any connection to Schertz's bombing plot, says "illegal immigrants are coming in here and having everything just handed to them." That thinking conveniently ignores the realities of the country's inconsistent immigration policy and dependence on the labor of undocumented workers.

    More importantly, frustration with illegal immigration can never justify the tactics of terror practiced by hate groups. Their new spin on hate may find a few foot soldiers, in the South and elsewhere, for now. But as history shows, time is not on their side.
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    It paralyzes a community that's already marginalized and living in an underground economy and world."

    Would that be because they're breaking federal and state laws?? Does that have anything to do with the way they're living in a nation that has not invited them and does not want them?


    And there's only one word for retooling that strategy for a new target: evil.
    And the one word for them that doesn't require retooling is: anarchy.

    There's a huge difference in the way American communities are responding to the invasion of our nation and the way Mexico would handle the same situation. These people are not being arrested, shot, tortured. None have disappeared to never resurface again. The same cannot be said for 25,000 Central Americans last seen entering Mexico illegally.

    I really get vexed with the 'spin' put on these incidents. If you've never lived near these hispanics for any length of time you don't have any right to say that they should go on their way undeterred, unmolested. My stepdaughter and her husband live in the country north of town. Several years ago a Mexican family bought 2 acres a half mile or so away from them. They haven't had a peaceful day, night, weekend, or moment since the arrival of the Mexicans. Few days have passed that they haven't had to call the sheriff's office to complain about noise, dog fights, cock fights, blaring music, on and on. It's disgusting. The hispanics just do not know how to comport themselves in this society and do not intend to learn.

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    "A New Spin on Hate"

    Isn't that just telling. They are running out of "talking points" with "facts" about illegal aliens so NOW they are creating through "spin" imaginary "hate crimes".

    Hate crimes are race and ethnic based.

    Hate crimes have nothing to do with disliking illegal aliens.

    We're Awake, We're On Our Feet, We're Wise to These Word Games.

    This crap won't fly here. NO ONE "hates" Hispanics. I do not know anyone who "hates" Hispanics. What is an Hispanic? Someone who speaks Spanish.

    In 90% of the Spanish Speaking households of the United States, how many are ILLEGAL?

    I'd say MOST.

    Deduction. Americans are upset with ILLEGAL ALIENS INCLUDING ILLEGAL HISPANICS!!

    THAT is not a "hate crime".

    What a bunch of phoney jerks..."A New Spin on Hate", a New Spin from the HATEMAKERS!!

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    "Hate crime" is a bogus concept.


    It was invented for the purpose of penalizing white people more, for crimes that are committed by every racial group.


    Minorities are incapable of racism(according to conventional wisdom), and their dislike of white people is justified.

    So a black-on-white crime, for example, is never a "hate crime", even if the perpetrator says, "I hated her, I killed her because she was white."


    Haggling over the "hate" in a crime committed by a minority, is almost a waste of time, because:

    1. It signals acceptance that what a person is thinking can be illegal, or make their crime worse.

    2. The media will likely never report that a minority has been charged with a hate crime, or has been found guilty of a hate crime, because only white people can hate.


    IMHO


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    I shall AZJouster!!

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    As per usual the Hate tag gets applied only to white people. I notice they also call this a "trend" even though this scheme is the "first" of its kind.

    This is unbiased, or even competent, reporting? Come on.

    If you put all the white supremecist groups in the US together, including the Dragons of God, Klan, Aryan Nation, ect you would have less than 6,000 people. The Nation of Islam claims to have 200,000 member and yet it is never called a Hate Group.

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