Thread: NO BORDER, NO ORDER, NO NATION

Coto, Is the thread you were thinking of?

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Originally Posted by curiouspat

Coto, Is the thread you were thinking of?

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Yeah, thanks, Curious Pat.

Yeah, and it isn't much about "union busting," since the vast majority of people getting fired (for the sake of "knowledge transfer" and the body shops of Bangalore) are non-union professionals.

Union professionals are getting "busted" by employers who give hiring preference to illegals (while the Senate winks at 'em).

The fantastic and unbelievable point is that any union would support the employment of illegals - the very illegals who are used to destroy organized labor and to compromise collective bargaining agreements. Unbelievable!

We already know all this, I post it again for the benefit of website visitors and lurkers

Two Prong Attacks Against America:

This nonsense could be stopped cold!
Recommendation: Everything written by Frosty Wooldridge should be taken dead serious. He could be considered a hero.
Thanks again, Curious Pat,
Coto

I agree Coto, and by then their propery values will drop, hospitals will close and schools will be too full. A great future for all of us.

Hi Texas Cow Girl,

Agree with you, property values will go down the toilet, but mortgage companies will stand fast on their loans because they have to. I think, Texas Cow Girl, what we'll see is a rise in foreclosures proportional to increased layoffs, expected to surge by 2010.

Illegals (and, arguably, future H-5B visa holders) will replace blue collar workers who will be forced into foreclosure.

On the technical professional side, the projections of offshoring and H-5B visas will wipe out the entire US IT profession twice over by 2010. An article on another website reports that Tata plans to hire 10 million new employees (in India) by 2010 to replace American workers via offshoring and H-1B visas.

So what the hell is my point? Tata is going to send 10 million more Americans to the unemployment lines - cause they can't go blue collar 'cause the illegals own blue collar work. Banks and mortgage companies ought to realize that's 10 million more foreclosures. Besides Tata, other body shops like Wiprospectramind, Sat'yam, Accenture, and Infosys will rake up the spoils of Americans getting fired.

All this I'm writing so far assumes nothing is going to be done. OK?

Allright Texas Cow Girl, I'll get back on the soapbox.....

So what is the endstate with the transition to the North American Union government and the New World Order? Well it's well documented all over Alipac, but I just want to describe, if I may, one facit that wasn't yet really raised.

One of the components of globalism, lemme stop for a sec.

Globalism includes:
Illegal Aliens
H-1B and L-1 Visa card holders
Body shop employees in India
Communist China's work force.

What the globalists demand among other things, is WAGE EQUALIZATION

Wage equalization, Texas Cow Girl, from what I've read about it, is all wages worldwide (middle class and below) fall and equalize toward the lowest payscale of all countries. And that is probably the untouchables of India. The Dalits of India earn way less than the illegals earned before leaving Mexico.

Corporate America demands global wage equalization, but they're to naive to realize is that wage equalization will destroy their customers.

Bottom line, Don't take my word for it, read this:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=26311
and hold onto your hat.

Thanks for indulging all this.
Coto

Important and sobering details, Coto.

Thanks for the impetus to work even harder.

President Bush, and the rest of politicians don't have to live with the illegal people who come to this country. Their neighborhoods don't get invaded by unwanted people, they travel in a limosine, they don't have to walk the streets with the illegals.

Our constitution protects Aliens. Ex-major Giulliani of New York was on the O'rally show today, and said that when he was a major there were 400 thousand illegal Alians in New York City, and that he made sure their kids went to school so they would not be hanging out in the streets, and gave them benefits. He said that it is impossible to deport them. So tell me if this is not an invitation for more illegals to come? They know very well what is going on in this country, and they are not going to lose the opportunity of their life to come here, make children, and live off the taxpayers. What is a better life than that?

Originally Posted by curiouspat

Thanks for the impetus to work even harder.

Hi Curious Pat,
yeah, I post some scary stuff, usually it's documented then and there or already on ALIPAC. Not my intent to spook good guy readers. Sometimes i think it might. Part of posting such, uh, compelling stuff is to let uninformed guests know that ALIPAC members see things way ahead into the future and think "outside the box."

I take the blame for discouraging American Girl - glad she came back with more energy than before.

Horrific as it is, we gotta know the threat, in order to fight it. Bad ass things are supposed to happen in 2010 (assuming we do nothing).

A webmaster of another anti-globalism website (not mine) has kind of given up. I need to go over there and leave him a message or something. What I think he overlooked is that IT workers who got fired (in favor of India) are in no position to hang around and fight globalism - they are in an emergency job-hunt or job salvage situation where they have to devote all waking hours to job hunting. Workers over 40 who are fired and replaced by younger workers from India have about a 5 percent chance (at best) of getting another job due to widespread age discrimination. Age discrimination* is the norm - not the exception. His readers are victims of globalism who have had the rug pulled out from under them.

Age discrimination is (or already is) gonna hit blue collar workers hard, where over 40 Americans are fired and replaced by illegals, or new H-5B visa holders

Curious Pat, thanks for your kind words, by the way.

Coto

* The vast majority of the perpetrators of age discrimination are managers who, themselves, are over 40 and over 50. I can't prove it, but I guaran-damn-tee you it's true

Coto,

I prefer the truth. If we don't get it here, where are we going to get it?

So far, IMO, the MSM and our gov't have behaved in a deliberately obfuscatory manner.

If we don't know the truth, then how can we work to save our nation in an effective manner?

Do I like the truth? NO! It is what it is, and has been kept from us for too long.

opinion, this man must be defeated in his run for president in 08. We have to get Tom Tancrado to run for the presidential election in 08.Rudy, rose to the occasion after 911 and did a good job, however he is pro-gun control, pro abortion, pro illegial immigration. I can't think of really anything he is against except for terroism. HOw can he effectively be in a fight against terroism and be for illegal immigration? He cannot!

Good morning everyone.. I didn't read all the replies so if my little contribution repeats someone I apologize for using the thread space. Pat sent me here... now I understand why. I would say Frosty has a good handle on it and Nitty's comment about who is left to buy the products is pure logic but what no one realizes is these people are NOT logical. Let me make a couple of comments regarding statements he made that might put in some of the pieces for Cheyene.

a constitutional republic.

No it is a Federalist system. Our Republic was laid to rest with the passage of the Emergency Banking Act. Those in power deliberately withheld the information from the People to avoid an uprising of the masses. They needed time to execute their agendas.

The Emergency Banking Act (along with many other things) declared the Republic insolvent, bankrupted it and transferred assets of this nation to the bankers (IMF). Those assets would include your personal property. Not all of the congress at that time were traitors, this was accomplished with votes cast late on Christmas eve and in the midnight hours. They did however become complicit because they concealed what had occured from the People. They continue to do that to this day for fear of the reprocussion.

They managed the deception by naming their corporations similar names and people did not notice the change of the name of the country from The Republic of the United States to UNITED STATES. Nor did they distrust that the FEDERAL Reserve was anything other than another department of the government as its name implied.

The Federal Reseve was and is in reality a corporation, a bank, outside the control of our government. It was used to usurp the Constitutionally delegated power of the House to control our monetary system. Legislation was passed making it illegal for citizens to own gold (constitutional legal tender for the Republic was gold/silver) as people turned in the gold believing it to be our Republic government ordering it, the gold was replaced by redemption notes which were later converted to FRN (Federal Reserve Notes - valueless with no precious metal backing them).

The country has operated on emergency powers ever since. As of June 20, 2006 the emergency powers were escalated to a degree that all that remains of the Bill of Rights is habeaus corpus. I looked quickly for the link to this but I cannot find it and time is limited here. I do have the pdf of the document if you want to see it pm me with an email adress.

Anyway, the Republic was replaced with a corporation UNITED STATES and they copyrighted our bill of rights and our constitution (for what purpose is beyond me). The Federal government was declared a Democracy not a Republic.

Since it is a corporation its jurisidiction extends only to the ten square miles of the District in which it was incorporated. But never fear this was well thought out over the preceeding century as they plotted to accomplish this goal. The Council of States was formed. (search that term and find out who and what are defined as states. Canadians IF they know must appreciate this. )

The sovereign states of our Republic, I suppose for lack of knowledge or lack of choice opted to become members. Their membership transferred them from sovereign states to territories of the Federal government. As territories the limited 10 square miles of jurisidiction of the Federal government encompassed them. Between that and the aliens and seditions act passed in the 1800s the sovereign citizesn of the Republic became 14th ammendment citizens. The Federal Government has control over territories, possession and 14th ammendment citizens.

George W. Bush, not a student of history and a poor student to boot, but a man of the wealthy class--lacks the education and intellect to understand the consequences of his globalist agenda for the United States. Since he’s not the victim of what he perpetrates on us, he charges ahead with his Security and Prosperity Partnership. This agreement cannot succeed unless he diminishes our Middle Class by overwhelming America with Mexico’s poorest, most dependent, most illiterate and least able to stand for their rights.

yep Frosty has this correct too. The goal is to destroy the middle class and return the world to the era of serfdom which the European monarchies thrived on. What will be needed in the future are a pzillion Robin Hoods... does that analogy demonstrate where this nation is heading and why? It is interesting to note that the Queen bestowed upon Toll (one of the instigators of the Council of States) the highest award the British government can bestow. Its no wonder he put the crowning touch on the overthrow of the Republic and brought citizens of this nation right back into the tax paying fold our forefathers had escaped.

That’s exactly what happened in Mexico. President Fox kept his poorest even poorer, and desperate. Then, he sent them to colonize America.

Yes but it was President Zapdillo who is quoted in 1997 speaking of the importance ot the migrants to their mission. Fox just continues the already established plan of action.

The People of this nation are under assault by their own government, their own corporations (whose vision does not extend beyond the bottom line), people of the rest of the world insensed by the "economic engine" of the United States as well as "preemptive" wars taking over the world and Mexico. I'd say we had our plates full and no silver ware (tools) to empty them. Just a personal thought here the "preemptive strikes"... I doubt those are to protect American citizens they are designed to protect the "economic engine" these people are developing. IF they were designed to protect American citizens they would have CLOSED THE BORDER!

As Bush degrades our Middle Class, he enlarges a new American poor class.

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In the end, we will all be equally poor, very uneducated and fighting among ourselves as Mexicans do not and will not assimilate into becoming Americans.

As in the New Deal the major employer will become the government (socialism) and your new employer will require you sign two oaths. One allegiance to the new Constitition which I suspect is the constitution of UNIDO the United Nations Industrial Development Organization) signed in 1997. The second oath not to reveal the that you have done so.

They create an antagonistic subclass that soon will outnumber Americans in the four Border States. But, they’re not stopping there as they expand into every state. Thus, they create the same kind of violence and tension experienced in the Paris, France riots. Remember, France’s violence occurred from legal immigrants.

Yep he's absolutely right on here. It has begun and to assist the anatagonism they are releasing violent repeat offenders into our neighborhoods. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/aag/speeches/csgreentry.htm

Has the United Nations solved the world’s problems or stopped wars and world starvation? Will a One World Order solve humanities propensities for conflict? One look at Darfur, Lebanon, Paris, France and dozens of wars around the world suggest not.

He is absolutely correct here but note that the UNITED STATES does not acquiese to the demands of the U.N. and also note that the UNITED STATES owns 51% of the IMF (International Monetary Fund) so explain to me to whom we owe this huge deficit we are now straddled with? It was borrowed from the IMF. I'll find the answer eventually.

The United States Constitution proves this nation’s success for 230 years, but Bush drives us toward no border, no order, no nation.

The Constitution functioned successfully for 159 years because of honest brokers in the positions of power and not for 230 years. In 1935 it was replaced and a myth was perpetrated to deceive the people. It still exists for the majority of the people... didn't we pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands?

The reference the Constitution is used to quiet the masses but look carefully at the source of law being used... UCC and Maritime INTERNATIONAL LAW. Constitutional law is based on Common Law. I wager you won't find a court in this country that functions under common law.

You’re watching a dramatic human social experiment, and for the most part, the majority of Americans sit on their couches watching the destruction of their own country by their own leaders.

Yep he is right here too. When your family wealth is so excessive it can only be estimated (Roosevelt's estimated at 400 trillian) you get bored. So you play with your economic units and experiment.

They flip channels while their leaders flippantly disregard the U.S. Constitution. They whine like a dog chained in the backyard, but lick their frustrations without taking action. Americans watch this New World Order spread like California wildfires, but won’t step outside their doors to vote to throw out the politicians pushing it onto this country. As a nation, we’ve become fat, lazy, uninvolved and take everything we enjoy for granted.

In fairness to the people they have been frauded. They believe their Republic still stands. We were lied to.

As we do nothing, we lose everything that defines America. We become a cog in the New World Order. We lose our borders. We lose order. We lose America. George Bush drives our nation to its end and he enjoys 30 more months to finish America.

It is true if we do nothing this will happen. So that is why the outcry against the open borders is so critical. As the level of awareness rises within the masses, Bush et al will speed up their agenda. We are already seeing that. The goal was 2010 now it is suddenly 2007.

If you’ll notice the 62 senators that voted for Senate Bill 2611 that floods us with 100 million more people in 34 years, you notice he’s got plenty of help in destroying the United States of America.

I think one of the most important things alipac members could do is to create a list of all those in positions of power who are working against the People of this nation and toward the dismantling of this nation. This list would include corporate traitors, congressional traitors, judges, governors, and state representatives, lawyers etc. The ABA is not our friend it is part of the original group set up to continue the deception.

No border, no order, no nation.

Exactly correct.

I'm a natural skeptic as well as a seeker of truth if you want some of the links that support what i have just said pm me. But it will be next week before I can fire them out to you. I suggest you search names of the agencies mentioned in this post. You'll find your way through the looking glass.