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06-29-2007, 02:16 PM #31
The children of foreign diplomats are not US born children and neither should citizens of foreign countries who are illegal aliens, neither citizens or legal residents.
Let's end this madness and tell them to take their hands out of our pockets. We are tired of being bilked.
Psalm 139:14Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
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06-29-2007, 02:26 PM #32
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Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach"You tell 'em I'm coming...and hell's coming with me, you hear!?"
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06-29-2007, 02:44 PM #33
I sent out e-mail and faxes to my representatives also, I also seen the c-span show. This is a big attraction for illegals and we really need to find a way to turn it around!
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06-29-2007, 04:14 PM #34
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www.heritage.org
Birthright Citizenship and the Constitution
by Edward Erler
December 1, 2005
WebMemo #925
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The following is an entry concerning the first section of Amendment 14 of the Constitution as found in The Heritage Guide to the Constitution.
Before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, citizens of the states were automatically considered citizens of the United States. In 1857, the Dred Scott v. Sanford decision had held that no black of African descent (even a freed black) could be a citizen of the United States. The Fourteenth Amendment was thus necessary to overturn Dred Scott and to settle the question of the citizenship of the newly freed slaves. The Fourteenth Amendment made United States citizenship primary and state citizenship derivative. The primacy of federal citizenship made it impossible for states to prevent former slaves from becoming United States citizens by withholding state citizenship. States could no longer prevent any black from United States citizenship or from state citizenship either.
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Based on the intent of the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment, some believe that Congress could exercise its Section 5 powers to prevent the children of illegal aliens from automatically becoming citizens of the United States. An effort in 1997 failed in the face of intense political opposition from immigrant rights groups. Apparently, the question remains open to the determination of the political and legal processes.
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http://www.heritage.org/Research/Govern ... /wm925.cfmMatthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
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06-30-2007, 01:37 PM #35
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PRESS RELEASE - 14th Amendment
Mothers Against Illegal Aliens
“Protect Our Children, Secure Our Border!â€Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
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06-30-2007, 02:13 PM #36
This all makes sense to me I sure don't see why our congess doesn't get it, maybe it is to simple for them.
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06-30-2007, 03:51 PM #37
REPRESENTATIVE ZACH WAMP OF TENNESSEE IS CO-SPONSOR OF HR1940
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2007: Cosponsoring H.R. 1940 to end birthright citizenship Rep. Wamp is a cosponsor of H.R. 1940 to eliminate birthright citizenship, the process that automatically grants citizenship to the estimated 250,000 U.S.-born children of illegal aliens each year.
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http://grades.betterimmigration.com/tes ... &VIPID=750
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Tennesseans for Immigration Control and Reform
U.S. Rep. Zach Wamp, R-Tenn., is calling for drastic action to secure the borders and for a change in birthright citizenship law so that at least one of the parents must be a U.S. citizen before a baby can be granted instant citizenship at birth in the United States.
Wamp, who has an A+ grade from Americans for Better Immigration, is one of 91 members of the House Immigration Reform Caucus. The other Tennessee members of the caucus are Reps. John Duncan and Bill Jenkins, both Republicans. All but two of the caucus members are Republicans. Come on, Lincoln, I know you can do it. You're Blue Dog - you're almost there. Just take a deep breath and take the plunge. (Rep. Lincoln Davis, a Democrat, is my congressman.)
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http://billhobbs.com/2005/12/post_10.html
Psalm 139:14Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
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06-30-2007, 03:55 PM #38
Names of Representatives are being updated and added. Some names are within the last week or so.
Is your representative one of the co-sponsors? Call and ask
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H.R.1940
Title: To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.
Sponsor: Rep Deal, Nathan [GA-9] (introduced 4/19/2007)
Cosponsors (57)
Latest Major Action: 5/4/2007 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law.
COSPONSORS(57), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
Rep Akin, W. Todd [MO-2] - 5/9/2007
Rep Alexander, Rodney [LA-5] - 5/9/2007
Rep Bachus, Spencer [AL-6] - 6/20/2007
Rep Baker, Richard H. [LA-6] - 5/1/2007
Rep Barrett, J. Gresham [SC-3] - 6/20/2007
Rep Bilbray, Brian P. [CA-50] - 4/19/2007
Rep Bilirakis, Gus M. [FL-9] - 5/3/2007
Rep Boozman, John [AR-3] - 5/9/2007
Rep Brady, Kevin [TX-8] - 5/1/2007
Rep Calvert, Ken [CA-44] - 6/5/2007
Rep Carter, John R. [TX-31] - 4/25/2007
Rep Coble, Howard [NC-6] - 5/9/2007
Rep Conaway, K. Michael [TX-11] - 5/1/2007
Rep Culberson, John Abney [TX-7] - 4/25/2007
Rep Davis, David [TN-1] - 4/25/2007
Rep Davis, Geoff [KY-4] - 4/26/2007
Rep Davis, Jo Ann [VA-1] - 5/3/2007
Rep Drake, Thelma D. [VA-2] - 4/25/2007
Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] - 5/23/2007
Rep Feeney, Tom [FL-24] - 6/5/2007
Rep Forbes, J. Randy [VA-4] - 5/9/2007
Rep Gallegly, Elton [CA-24] - 4/26/2007
Rep Gingrey, Phil [GA-11] - 4/25/2007
Rep Gohmert, Louie [TX-1] - 6/5/2007
Rep Goode, Virgil H., Jr. [VA-5] - 5/3/2007
Rep Goodlatte, Bob [VA-6] - 4/24/2007
Rep Hayes, Robin [NC-8] - 4/26/2007
Rep Hensarling, Jeb [TX-5] - 5/24/2007
Rep Herger, Wally [CA-2] - 5/1/2007
Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] - 4/25/2007
Rep Issa, Darrell E. [CA-49] - 4/26/2007
Rep Johnson, Sam [TX-3] - 5/9/2007
Rep Jones, Walter B., Jr. [NC-3] - 5/17/2007
Rep Jordan, Jim [OH-4] - 6/27/2007
Rep Linder, John [GA-7] - 5/9/2007
Rep Lungren, Daniel E. [CA-3] - 4/19/2007
Rep Marchant, Kenny [TX-24] - 5/3/2007
Rep McCotter, Thaddeus G. [MI-11] - 5/9/2007
Rep McKeon, Howard P. "Buck" [CA-25] - 4/25/2007
Rep Mica, John L. [FL-7] - 6/5/2007
Rep Miller, Gary G. [CA-42] - 5/17/2007
Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1] - 6/15/2007
Rep Myrick, Sue Wilkins [NC-9] - 5/1/2007
Rep Neugebauer, Randy [TX-19] - 6/5/2007
Rep Pence, Mike [IN-6] - 5/17/2007
Rep Poe, Ted [TX-2] - 6/22/2007
Rep Price, Tom [GA-6] - 4/25/2007
Rep Sessions, Pete [TX-32] - 5/1/2007
Rep Shays, Christopher [CT-4] - 5/3/2007
Rep Souder, Mark E. [IN-3] - 5/9/2007
Rep Stearns, Cliff [FL-6] - 6/15/2007
Rep Sullivan, John [OK-1] - 4/25/2007
Rep Tancredo, Thomas G. [CO-6] - 4/25/2007
Rep Wamp, Zach [TN-3] - 5/1/2007
Rep Weldon, Dave [FL-15] - 5/9/2007
Rep Westmoreland, Lynn A. [GA-3] - 4/25/2007
Rep Wilson, Joe [SC-2] - 5/1/2007
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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z ... 01940:@@@PMatthew 19:26
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06-30-2007, 04:18 PM #39
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As written and ratified, the 14th Amendment was NOT intended to grant citizenship to the children of foreign subjects, all protestations of the WaPo to the contrary.
The Slaughterhouse Cases are the first Supreme Court interpretation of the 14th Amendment on record. The author of the majority opinion is a contemporary of those who drafted and debated the Amendment. The following text is from the majority opinion (about 3/4 of the way down the linked source page):
http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/sear ... 36_ZO.html
Slaughterhouse Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1872) (USSC+)
Opinions
MILLER, J., Opinion of the Court
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
The first observation we have to make on this clause is that it puts at rest both the questions which we stated to have been the subject of differences of opinion. It declares that persons may be citizens of the United States without regard to their citizenship of a particular State, and it overturns the Dred Scott decision by making all persons born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction citizens of the United States. That its main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the negro can admit of no doubt. The phrase, "subject to its jurisdiction" was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.
Here is a second source:
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
Senator Howard recognized three classes of people to whom the 14th Amendment citizenship clause would not apply: foreigners (tourists here temporarily), aliens (those here illegally but who have no intention of leaving), and foreign diplomats (here legally and in a special protected status who will leave upon the expiration of their term).
And in Section 5 "The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article." cedes control of implementing provisions of the Amendment back to Congress. Because the Constitution is a limiting document, the wording of the 14th Amendment citizenship clause means that they MAY NOT grant birthright citizenship to the children of illegals, nor the equivalent.
The confusion lies in the word, "subject." Clearly, in the context of a discussion of citizenship, "subject" refers to the nation of which one is a citizen, a foreign subject. Just because one is within a jurisdiction does not make them a subject.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-new ... page=45#45Matthew 19:26
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06-30-2007, 04:25 PM #40Matthew 19:26
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