2012 Presidential Hopefuls' Immigration Stances
Numbers USA
Barack Obama F-
Mitt Romney C
Rick Perry D+
Newt Gingrich D-
Jon Huntsman D-
Rick Santorum D-
Ron Paul F
Source: http://www.numbersusa.com/content/ac...n-stances.html
2012 Presidential Hopefuls' Immigration Stances
Numbers USA
Barack Obama F-
Mitt Romney C
Rick Perry D+
Newt Gingrich D-
Jon Huntsman D-
Rick Santorum D-
Ron Paul F
Source: http://www.numbersusa.com/content/ac...n-stances.html
Well now it seems Mr. Romney's grade went from 'C-' down to a 'C' and what? What's this Mr. Paul still has a "Big Fat" 'F' sorry but the numbers don't lie!
Well that says it all dont it?
Now thats just silly!......I'm confused! Ron Paul will change that grade, well sure he will!
Why..Why...Why if the United States would just legalise drugs and stay out of the rest of the worlds problems... I'm sh sh sh sure he would.
Ron Pauls the only one that will..H.H.Huh.EEE's Ron Paul! F+? Now thats just silly!
Numbers U.S.A is, well their JUST silly.
Mr. steve..thats just silly!:confused:
Oh I couldn't help it.....................:D
Ummm... they gave Romney the highest grade possible for his stance on amnesty. That should tell you all you need to know right there. I wouldn't even take that with a grain of salt.
I'm not I'm going by his record on illegal immigration as Governor!Quote:
Originally Posted by sajason
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Originally Posted by stevetheroofer
It's been a while since I was in school, but isn't going from a "C-" to a "C" considered to be going up, not down? ;)
If he gets elected your going to be in for a big surprise then. He wasn't really anti-illegal until he decided to run for the presidency, he's saying whatever he has to in order to get elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevetheroofer
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Originally Posted by sajason
Wrong!
As governor of Massachusetts, from 2003 to 2007, he vetoed an in-state tuition bill for illegal immigrants and authorized his state troopers to detain people based on their immigration status.
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Originally Posted by patbrunz
I think sometimes we need to give roofer a little bit of leeway patbrunz.
I suspect he accidentally hits himself in the head at work sometimes by his own hammer. :)
"No never in the head or face, fingers and thumbs mostly and yes I meant up, and he has the best stance on illegal immigration! And It's a career choice for me!Quote:
Originally Posted by OneNationUnderGod
Yes, and he expressed reluctance in vetoing that in-state tuition as well as saying Mcains amnesty plan was reasonable in 2005. He signed the agreement to authorize his state police to detain people on the 13th of december 2006 knowing his successor was against it, it was rescinded less than a month later without ever taking effect. IMO it was a blatant political move, he didn't really start the anti-illegal stuff until he was preparing to run for president. If he does becomes president we will get a much better idea of where he really stands on illegal immigration, and I think alot of people are going to be disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneNationUnderGod
Pretty much. And I'll be there to say "told yah so". If people think putting a RINO - Oh and c'mon. McCain, the biggest RINO, endorsed Romney last week, if that doesn't say it all I don't know what does - in the White House will do more than Bush did, than you're mistaken. Most people here see that he's a RINO, but sadly there are a few who just can't accept it for whatever reason, I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by sajason
It bears repeating: McLame endorsed Mitt Romney this week.
"I'm against an amnesty and against anything that provides an incentive for people to come here illegally."
National Review - Matinee Mitt - Dec 14, 2005
"On immigration, I did not support the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill. There are aspects I found to be troubling."
Arizona Capitol Times - Interview with Mitt Romney: Governor of MA - Nov 17, 2006
"Another aspect of American sovereignty is the security of our borders. The current system is a virtual concrete wall against those who have skill and education, but it's a wide-open walk across the border for those that have neither. McCain-Kennedy isn't the answer. As governor, I took a very different approach. I authorized our state police to enforce federal immigration laws."
Mitt Romney remarks at CPAC - Mar 2, 2007
"People should have no advantage by having come here illegally. I am going to tell them to go home, but they start by beginning the process of applying for citizenship. But I do not believe -- or applying for permanent residency. They're not going to be barred from doing that, but they do not get any advantage by having come here illegally. That's the key part of what I objected to in McCain-Kennedy.
"McCain-Kennedy, what it did is said that people who are here illegally get a special pathway. They're not like all the other immigrants in the world that want to come to this great country; they get a special pathway. That's what's wrong about it. If you're here illegally, you should not have a special pathway to become a permanent resident.
"My view, you have to secure the border, number one, have an employment verification system, number two, and number three, say to those that are there illegally, get in line with everybody else; you're not going to have a special doorway, any particular advantage, by having come here illegally, to become a permanent resident. And my fear is that McCain-Kennedy would do to immigration what McCain-Feingold has done to campaign finance and money in politics, and that's bad. (Applause.)"
Republican Debate Transcript, South Carolina - May 15, 2007
"I strongly oppose today's bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new 'Z-Visa' does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S.
"Today's Senate agreement falls short of the actions needed to both solve our country's illegal immigration problem and also strengthen our legal immigration system. Border security and a reliable employment verification system must be our first priority."
Mitt Romney on immigration bill - May 17, 2007
1. Romney proposes/plans efforts to end illegal employment
After immigration officials arrest nine people selling fake ID cards (Boston Globe - Jun 14, 2006), federal authorities arrest 150 immigrants in New England, many with criminal histories such as membership in a gang (Boston Globe - Jun 15, 2006), and other bad immigration news, Governor Romney and state legislatures take action:
“After the Globe reported that some contractors on state-funded construction projects have apparently employed undocumented workers, [Democrat Attorney General] Reilly said it was his responsibility to protect workers, not crack down on employers.
“In the wake of the story, Romney said he would ask the US government to grant State Police the authority to enforce federal immigration laws...
“In describing his proposal, Romney said his intention was to make Massachusetts a less desirable place for undocumented immigrants to live and work.”
Boston Globe - Jun 23, 2006
“Governor Mitt Romney also called for a federal solution. He said the federal government needs to develop a system where residency and citizenship documents are tamper-proof, and employers can tap into a nationwide verification network to check on employees' immigration status...
“The best way to prevent undocumented immigrants from finding work in Massachusetts is to make the state inhospitable to them, Romney said, citing his veto of a bill granting in-state tuition to undocumented immigrants.”
The Boston Globe - Reilly reiterates stance on workers - Jun 20, 2006
“Employers with state contracts would be required to make sure their workers have valid Social Security numbers by checking a federal online database under a bill proposed yesterday by Senate Republicans to combat illegal immigration...
“Governor Mitt Romney has also not seen the bill introduced by fellow Republicans but supported the idea in principle, said Eric Fehrnstrom, his spokesman.”
The Boston Globe - Bill would force state contractors to verify workers - June 22, 2006
“You brought up immigration. Can you lay out your plans for that?
“The first thing we did in Massachusetts was to secure our southern border with Connecticut. Sorry, I'll be serious now. I do agree it makes sense to build a fence to have a barrier between our nation and another nation. But at the same time, the only really effective deterrent against illegal immigration will be an employment verification system, with a tamper-proof card that can be verified by employers before they hire people...
“I would like to solve the problem of illegal entry into the country and solve the employment verification system before we expand a guest worker program... I would penalize employers who hire people who did not have a card and who had not verified that card through the employment verification system.”
Arizona Capitol Times - Interview with Mitt Romney: Governor of MA - Nov 17, 2006
"He instituted English immersion in the public schools and abolished the old bilingual education system."
Boston Globe - Romney is the kind of leader we need - Dec 14, 2007
"The prospects for a controversial proposal to allow roughly 150,000 undocumented immigrants to obtain drivers' licenses in Massachusetts darkened considerably this week as Gov. Mitt Romney came out against the idea and the bill's sponsor acknowledged that 'it doesn't look as if the legislation could become law.' ...
" 'Those who are here illegally should not receive tacit support from our government that gives an indication of legitimacy,' the governor said, echoing arguments that opponents have voiced in the commonwealth and in other states considering similar license measures. 'If they are here illegally, they should not get driver's licenses,' he said." (2003)
The Boston Globe - Romney Stand Dims Chances of License For Undocumented - Oct 28, 2003
"Romney also rejected a proposal to allow undocumented immigrants to pay in-state tuition rates at state colleges and universities" (2004)
The Boston Globe - Romney vetoes $108.5m in budget - June 26, 2004
"A bill currently being considered by the Legislature would provide in-state tuition at our public colleges and university to individuals who are in the United States illegally. That is wrong. Because a family breaks the law, that should not entitle them to a taxpayer subsidy. Enactment of this legislation would encourage more illegal immigration and send the wrong message to those immigrants who played by the rules. Governor Romney vetoed a similar provision last June, and he is prepared to do so again." (November 2005)
The Boston Globe - An unfair reward for illegal immigrants - Nov 8, 2005
"Also certain to resurface in the Legislature is a bill that would provide in-state tuition rates at public colleges to undocumented immigrants.
"Lawmakers approved the tuition measure last year, but Romney vetoed it and an attempted override failed in the House in January" (2006)
The Boston Globe - For new governor, divisive issues loom - Sep 9, 2006
"In 1994, when he tried to unseat Ted Kennedy, he ran against higher taxes and government-run health care, and for school choice, a balanced budget amendment, welfare reform, and"tougher measures to stop illegal immigration." He was no Rockefeller Republican even then."
National Review - Romney for President
"The Mitt Romney who hit the campaign trail in 2002...was now a media star - People magazine would soon name him one of the 50 Most Beautiful People in the World... He favored the death penalty and an initiative petition to replace bilingual education with English immersion;"
The Boston Globe - Taking office, remaining an outsider
“Governor Mitt Romney has reached an agreement with federal authorities that allows the Massachusetts State Police to arrest immigrants who are in the state illegally, his spokesman said...
“Under the deal, brokered after months of negotiations, troopers can detain people they determine are illegal immigrants during regular police duties, Fehrnstrom said...
“In June, when Romney announced he was seeking the deal, he said it would give the State Police a way of "finding and detaining illegal aliens in the ordinary course of business." ”
The Boston Globe - Troopers can arrest illegal immigrants in Romney deal - Dec 3, 2006
“Mitt Romney seems to have a similar patriotic sense of what it means to be an American, and presents it and himself well. He stopped special benefits for illegal immigrants here, where he had some authority.”
Salem News - Feb 16, 2007 (archived copy on cltg.org)
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Originally Posted by googler
Oh, and by the way google, your cockyness on these boards is nauseating.
Mitt Romney never endorsed McLame so this is a non-issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by googler
Yeah! "Google" that!Quote:
Originally Posted by OneNationUnderGod
As I recollect it, Romney quit the last race to aid McAmnesty's run for the presidency. None of the candidates this time are any good for us either. Not worth any ire. The best we can do is help some decent folk get into Congress.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneNationUnderGod
Good luck with finding those!Quote:
Originally Posted by loservillelabor
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Originally Posted by loservillelabor
I don't recall this but if you have a source/link for this info, I would be interested to read about it.
Google is easy. Give it a try.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneNationUnderGod
http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&ta...w=1385&bih=698
Found here: http://www.cfr.org/experts/world/mitt-romney/b13226Quote:
Romney suspended his campaign for the GOP nomination in early February 2008. He has since endorsed his former opponent, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).
Wow loservillelabor, I wasn't being nasty about it, just wondering. And the personal attacks continue...........Quote:
Originally Posted by loservillelabor
Thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by Ratbstard
Your very polite ONUG, Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by OneNationUnderGod
Imagine that? A "RINO" dropping out and showing (at least) some Respect to the Republican parties nominee . Imagine that?
Still like to know what the point is! So what?
libertygunrights.com
Editorial
by by Elliott Graham
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is the most left wing “liberal” “Republican”, “RINO”, “Neocon” that I know of since Former New York Governor Rockefeller ran for President against Senator Barry Goldwater!
His father, former Michigan Governor George Romney was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations who supported Governor Rockefeller for President after he realized that he could not win the Presidential Nomination for himself.
When Senator Goldwater won the Nomination for President, the Romney family supported Sen. Lyndon Baines Johnson, the Democrat Nominee for President!
George Romney’s son Mitt like his parents and his uncle were always very “liberal” (socialist) even before he went to Harvard and stayed in Massachusetts.
As Governor, he violated his oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States when he signed a gun prohibition (“Assault Weapons”) law which is a clear infringement to our Second Amendment to our “Bill of Rights”!
Like President Obama, he supported and signed into law “Romney-Care”, a socialized medicine bill for Massachusetts just like “Obama-Care” for the United States!
On just about every issue, including abortion rights, he has been as “liberal” as you would expect any Democrat politician to be!
Because the Republican Party leadership will always support an incumbent President for re-election, no matter how bad and even when that incumbent is called a “Traitor who should be impeached for treason”, the nomination of Mitt Romney or a CFR globalist such as New't Gingrich will translate into 8 more years of international socialism towards a totalitarian world government in another Republican Administration.
Therefore 4 more years under President Barack Obama would become the “Lesser of the 2 Evils” over having 8 more years of a President Mitt Romney or a President New’t Gingrich and if you want to defeat President Barack Obama, we need to make sure that former Governor Mitt Romney is defeated in every states Republican Primary contest for the exact same reasons that we do not want to re-elect President Barack Obama!
I know this to be true, because this has happened before when Republicans supported President Richard M. Nixon and President George W. Bush for their second terms.
With 8 more years, the likelihood of having a one world socialist or communist government under the United Nations will become much greater!
Therefore, the Republican Primary Elections and Caucuses in 2012 will determine whether or not we will live under freedom or slavery!
Time will soon run out and it will be too late to play such games as casting your protest vote for a 3rd party candidate that cannot win!
In order to win, every minor party registered voter and every independent voter who opposes communism, socialism and all other big government dictatorships absolutely must register as Republicans (at least one full month) before the Republican Primary Election or Caucus begins in your state.
We just cannot afford to have another split like what has happened when Ross Perot helped William J. Clinton win in 1996!
Like President George W. Bush, Governor Mitt Romney is the son of a C.F.R. member and New’t Gingrich is a member of the C.F.R.
The Council on Foreign Relations has the same goal for a one world socialist government as does the Communist Party USA and the United Nations that was organized by Alger Hiss, a Communist, to be a world government and NOT just a debating society!
Do not listen to nor pay any attention to any speeches made by Romney or Gingrich because they lie and there is no law that requires candidates to tell the truth.
We have been lied to for more than 100 years, but you can trust United States Representative Ron Paul’s excellent 100% pro-freedom 22 year voting record in the U.S. House of Representatives as actions speak much louder than just mere words!
Elliott Graham, Chairman
Voters Against Corruption And Tyranny
http://www.vacat.us
http://www.libertygunrights.com/FormerGovRomney.html
Click on this link
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/ac...n-stances.html
Then Click on candidate name and there is a link at top to contact them and tell them what they NEED TO IMPROVE ON! Tell them what it is going to take to get your support.
Want a blast from the past? See: http://www.alipac.us/threads/94959-M...omney+question
Why would I trust anything a guy, (or is she a girl) named Elliott? says......Maybe if his/her name was Elye or Ellie....More opine, just like mine.
Ron Paul supporters act as though they are personal friends of Paul so..If you would..Ask Ron Paul if he supports:
My States Right to Build a Wall..
My States Right to Demand E-verify..
My States Right to Enforce SB1070..
My States Right to End Birth Wrong Citizenship..
My States Right to Deport Illegal Aliens..
Not another Op Ed, but answers from Paul Himself.
I'll tweet away, I'll write letters, I'll email, No freaking answer!
So all you Paul personal friends try...and then get back to me please.
At least Michelle Bachman said YES to all of the above.
Where were all of the Americans for Legal Immigration Paul Personal friends? Pushing Paul...
I know Paul pushers get don't get my posts most of the time. I always get attitude.
I don't want op editorial, copy paste crap.
I want Ron Paul response to my questions. Is that unreasonable?
Thank You
Very interesting opinion piece, until I read down to this part...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ratbstard
Because of this.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ratbstard
Paul, who has served 11 terms in three different stages dating back to 1976, didn’t get a single law passed until 2009, when he authored a bill that allowed for the sale of a customs house in Galveston, Texas. Failure is often the norm in Congress, where only 4 percent of proposed bills get a President’s signature, but Paul’s approach to lawmaking is particularly suited to not getting things done.
Of the 620 bills sponsored by Ron Paul during his long career in the House of Representatives, only four have ever made it to a vote on the House floor and only one of those became an actual law. An analysis by The Washington Post shows that Paul’s success rate of 0.2 percent falls far below that of most legislators, as Paul has chosen to stand up for his personal crusades, rather that build coalitions for more popular, but less ambitious, proposals.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...ongress/46661/
Which made Elliott Graham's editorial null and void to me.
Forgive me if I made you feel nasty. I thought it strange you weren't aware that Romney was the last hope for many folks in the 08 primary. I see now you joined in 2009. Folks sent him gobs of cash and then he just quit. That allowed McAmnesty by default.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneNationUnderGod
Really, Google is easy.
Well at least for you and me it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by loservillelabor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAjbLwtqxC0&feature=related
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Originally Posted by loservillelabor
Really? Is this what this discussion has come too? You putting me down for not googling better than you? Unbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ratbstard
Hope everyone has a great 2012. May God help our country this year and get the socialist, dictator, wanna be king out of our Whitehouse.
God Bless our great country.
While the Pauls are pushing I ....uh...uh..uh yahooed? hmmm
SB1070...Ron Paul---Nope
Border Wall...Ron Paul----Nope
See what else I can find since Old Ron and all his personal friends are busy...
E-verify..Ron Paul---Nope.
Google this.
Ron Paul Backs "Ground Zero Mosque," Splitting with Son Rand
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http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//20...08_370x278.jpg Ron Paul
(Credit: Carlos Osorio)
Libertarian Congressman Ron Paul is breaking with many of his fellow Republicans - among them his son Rand - to support the creation of the planned Islamic cultural center near the former site of the World Trade Center that has come to be known as the "ground zero mosque."
In a statement decrying "demagogy" around the issue, the former Republican presidential candidate wrote late last week that "the debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque."
"Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be 'sensitive' requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from 'ground zero,'" Paul continues.
He goes on to argue that "the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia...never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars."
Adds Paul: "It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don't want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators."
"This is all about hate and Islamaphobia," he argues.
The statement is particularly notable in light of comments on the issue by Paul's son, Kentucky Republican Senate nominee Rand Paul. Rand Paul has said that while he is hesitant to get involved in a local issue, he does not believe the cultural center should be built; "the Muslim community would better serve the healing process by making a donation to the memorial fund for the victims of September 11th," he said.
(By the way, Paul's Democratic opponent in the Senate race, Jack Conway, also opposes the center.)
Rand Paul got in trouble early in his general election campaign for staking out typically-Libertarian positions, most notably in questioning parts of the Civil Rights Act and Americans with Disabilities Act. He subsequently adopted more traditionally-Republican rhetoric and declined to embrace his father's full-throated opposition to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, among other causes important to many libertarians.
Oh come on, it was a joke. This is why I usually just post articles and rarely comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneNationUnderGod
Hmm and what did we do as North Korea developed theirs? Pakistan has them and their not so stable, not even our friends if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by pattyk
Well I may not be a "google" but even though he has spoke out against "birth right citizenship" once The Illegals are here...Big freaking deal Ron!Quote:
Originally Posted by airdale
And on Deport, all i can find is Old Ron saying "can't".
Not my choice.....on Illegal Immigration!