Thread: Open Letter to National Vanguard

7/22/2006
National Vanguard:

I am officially requesting that you remove any materials from your website regarding our organization Americans for Legal Immigration and discontinue any links to our material or organization. We have no control over what you do or who you link to, but your attempts to imitate or co-opt our efforts are not welcome and only serve to forward the goals or our opposition.

Is it your intent to help and assist illegal aliens and pro illegal alien organizations? That is exactly what we see National Vanguard doing and even though I have little knowledge of your organization I'm starting to wonder who really runs it. If you are not receiving a paycheck from the Open Borders Lobby, you should apply for one as I am certain they are fans of your recent works.

Your actions are defaming the work of Americans that have no desire to be forced into false association with your organization through your unilateral efforts. Your unwanted attempts to unilaterally associate yourselves with other groups that DO NOT share your cause about to cause a great deal of strife in our movement.

Cary Council Member Joyce resigned his seat to make a statement. Americans coast to coast wrote on his behalf. Then National Vanguard stepped in and besmirched the whole affair handing a victory to the illegal alien supporters. National Vanguard keeps showing up in news articles and on the websites of our opposition as the spoiler. You are spoiling the work of other Americans that do not welcome your involvement.

http://www.newsobserver.com/114/story/463153.html

A quick scan of the Internet finds your organization placing a big red target on the foreheads of many Americans that DO NOT share your cause.

I suggest that National Vanguard should hold its own events and operations and stop trying to attach yourselves to the efforts of Americans that do not welcome your participation and association.

It is ironic that the opposition to ALIPAC, the Minutemen, Save Our State, and many other good groups constantly makes the false claims that our supporters are white nationalists, Nazis, white supremacists, etc.. These statements are not true and are designed to endanger both our efforts and work as well as our physical safety. Then you pop in with National Vanguard and attempt to make their claims slightly legitimate.

Let me state for the record that our organization does not share your organizations goals or desires in any form or fashion and that National Vanguard and your supporters, as well as the supporters of any organization deemed White Nationalists, separatist, supremacists etc... are not welcome in our ranks. We do not want our material placed on your site and we do not welcome your links directed at material on our site.

This is your official notice from ALIPAC. Most of us did not get involved in this movement to fight groups like yours as we have our hands full just trying to slow the movement of thousands of more illegal aliens into our nation each night. However, you are proving to be a political hazard that must be addressed because you keep inserting yourself into this issue next to people that do not want your support or assistance or involvement.

We do not want any of our material on your site. You are unwelcome in our ranks and your efforts to assist the illegal alien invasion supporters are duly noted. We do not share your views or goals and we should not face the possibility of our work being harmed by your reckless attempts to insert yourself into our events, activist operations, or media coverage.

I hope you will remove any material or mention of us on your website and give full consideration to separating yourself from the efforts of other organizations that do not desire false association with National Vanguard.

This open letter to you will remain a part of our website until all materials that are from or hosted on our website are removed. We will be more than happy to remove this letter if you will do the ethical thing by removing your unwanted attempts to identify with our organization.

Our organization is very blessed to have the support of Asian, Black, and Latino as well as Native Americans and White Americans. We have a large group of angry LEGAL immigrants from many places in the world and this big tent philosophy has been a core mission of ALIPAC since we entered this debate. Our organization is fighting racism in the ranks of the illegal alien supporters and we do not allow racism or white separatism on our website as we are welcoming many Americans that share our cause to secure our nation.

In short, we are certain your supporters would not approve of our policies and multi ethnic solicitations.

National Vanguard is acting as an agent on behalf of the Open Borders Lobby by working to assist their efforts to falsely label our movement. We await your reply. Please remove any materials or links to us.

If this problem continues we will consider expanding the scope of our operations to include fighting on another front due to your provocations. I would hope that you would honor our requests and allow us to fight illegal immigration without your continued provocations.

William Gheen
Americans for Legal Immigration PAC ALIPAC
www.alipac.us

I read your pathetic "Open Letter to National Vanguard" that complains, among other things, about NV members writing or emailing elected public officials about the immigration issue.

Who the Hell are you to tell NV members, or anyone else for that matter, who they can write letters or send emails to, especially with respect to letters to elected officials like city councilmen? Who gave you veto power over any other American's first amendment rights?

Bold talk for a flacid, over the hill "Conservative" who can only attract 3,306 registered users to his site.

STORMFRONT has more than 88,000 users.

Donn,

It would not matter to me if another website had over 1 million supporters, that is not my point.

My point is that National Vanguard's activities are being used to harm the efforts of Americans that do not share the goals and associations of National Vanguard. The reason National Vanguard keeps getting mentioned in the press is because it serves the purposes of the open borders lobby to do so and you are giving them exactly what they want.

I never claimed to be in any position where I can control the contents of another website.

I am in a position to point out that your activities are harming our movement and that your involvement is unwelcome by mainstream Americans that want illegal immigration stopped but do not want to be associated with a white nationalist organization.

I am also in a position to request removal of any material related to our organization and to make it very clear that your organization and supporters are not welcome at ALIPAC or in our operations.

Should these problems continue, I will write a decree stating those facts and will get it signed by a multitude of organization leaders and allow it to stand on the Internet in a high place for all to see.

I hope that it will not require that level of conflict, but if so then so be it.

Sending adversary politicians e-mails identifying yourself as white nationalists is not very smart and completely erases and reverses what you claim you wanted in the first place.

I was in DC and the Minuteman Press Conference on the Capitol grounds when two brown shirt and swastika wearing Nazis came marching over and every member of the press flocked to them.

They disavowed the Minutemen for their welcoming of blacks, Hispanics, and Jews into our movement.

You should do the same and disavow ALIPAC for our welcoming of blacks, asians, Hispanics, and Jews into our organization.

We are all working very hard and if you or any other organization try to derail or destroy any of our work then you are going to have a fight on your hands.

The Council Member from Cary has a Hispanic wife and he clearly did not welcome your e-mails and news coverage either.

Like I said... Give Morriss Dees a call and ask him for a check. I'm sure he will send you one for you good work in Cary and what you guys did to SaveOurState.

William Gheen
ALIPAC

I'm starting to think that the biased articles written about this event may have attracted the race oriented groups into the discussion. The Council member that resigned was not doing so because money was being given to Hispanics as the biased articles tried to convey.

He resigned because the money was going to help illegal aliens. His wife is Hispanic so we may have a case or race oriented groups entering the debate in response to racially biased news coverage of this event.

W

"STORMFRONT has more than 88,000 users" you mean they have that many little want to be Nazis running around from all over the world. Take a hike.

You're going to issue a "decree"? That's a good one! Why don't you issue a "decree" to stop illegal immigration? Why not a decree to roll back gas prices or lower taxes? Those "decrees" would have about as much effect as your moronic blustering against NV.

BTW, I noticed the name of your group is "Americans for Legal Immigration".

What better way to achieve the stated goal of your group than to support amnesty which would increase "legal immigration" by a substantial amount. Yet in fact, as I understand it, you OPPOSE amnesty.

There is something weirdly Orwellian about a group whose true intentions are the exact opposite of its stated goal.

Like millions of whites who have fled non-white neighborhoods and schools, you may not be a "racist," but I bet you live in a white neighborhood just like they do.

Buy a clue Donn and try reading our platform and doing a 10 second Google search on us before you go making wild accusations about who we are and what we do.

We do not support amnesty and want to Reverse Illegal immigration same as the vast majority of Americans.

The problem here is that National Vanguard's agenda is not the agenda of the man that resigned nor our organization's backing of him.

The issue was not about tax dollars for Hispanics it was about tax dollars for illegal aliens. The council member's wife is Hispanic and many of ALIPAC's supporters are Hispanic and National Vanguard stepped into the wrong fight that was not even on their issue.

Yes, an open national decree that our organizations will all make efforts to push back the WN groups from our movement. We have every right to guide our organizations in the directions we wish and to work with other organizations to move in that direction together.

This will send a very powerful message if need be. I would prefer that the links be removed and National Vanguard stop supporting people, events, or elected officials that do not welcome the support.

William

Your organization's platform states that "ALIPAC supporters have a diverse range of opinions, yet we are united in the belief that more should be done to reduce illegal immigration."

Apparently this "diverse range of opinions" does not include National Socialists, White Nationalists and other racially conscious Whites. I am not a member of National Vanguard, but I do share many of their views, just as I share many of yours. In fact, I agree totally with all four points in your platform.

You obviously are bowing to political correctness as well as revealing a deep hypocrisy when you make a big point of disavowing "racists". As if the open borders people really care? Your group will be branded as"racist" by them no matter how many times you denounce National Vanguard and "nazis".

Your hypocrisy is in your complete denial of the critical racial component in the immigration debate. While there are indeed good economic, non-racist arguments to be made against illegal immigration -- jobs, welfare, crime, taxes, environment, etc. -- I doubt if there would be the same indignation about "illegal" immigration if the illegal aliens were from, say, Iceland. To paraphrase Clinton, it's about race, stupid. We oppose illegal immigration (and LEGAL non-White immigration) because we oppose the further browning and balkanization of America, simple as that. We racialists admit it, unlike "big tent" organizations such as yours who hide behind code words. But I guess your tent isn't big enough to include folks like me.

Rich Brooks
(Link Removed by Moderator. Links to White Nationalist sites are not allowed at ALIPAC. Read the Rules.)

Rich,

We are quite aware of the racial issues in this debate as supported by some groups and some people. These motivations do not represent our motivations and we are asking for separation on your part.

I personally admire the dedication and bravery to our allies in the Latino and black communities and if crafting an organization that is designed to make them feel welcome is PC then so be it. We need American citizens of all races and backgrounds that make up the 80% in the polls to stop this disaster.

You should do a little research on the term I coined into this movement called "PC Paralysis" before you accuse us of being slaves to the PC movement.

The skin color of many of the illegal aliens is not the concern that motivates us.

This is America and you are free to do what you want, but when your groups try to change the meaning of our message or the message of others that do not share your stances, well that is wrong.

It is as wrong as the Open Borders Lobby trying to apply the false label of racist to many non racist groups and individuals. They can lie all they want. The truth is on our side and ALIPAC is not a racist and will not become a race motivated organization.

William Gheen
ALIPAC

Thank you, Mr. Gheen, for your reply, although I do not believe you were responsive to my basic question: Why are my views not permitted under the "diversity of opinions" your group claims to encompass? You say you treasure the support of Blacks and "Latinos", but I'll bet these groups are miniscule in numbers compared those of racially aware Whites. It is the same mistake Republican party strategists are making by courting the "Hispanic" vote. It is a game of numbers they will not win, and will lose much of their core White support in the process.

I see that you have self-righteously removed the link to my website from my previous post. Do you do the same for sites like the NAACP or La Raza (which literally means "The Race"), or is it just White "racism" you oppose? Anyone who wants to visit my site can just Google the words "white alert" -- there, that's not a link.

National Vanguard has never to my knowledge attempted to mischaracterize you organization's views. They, like all internet news services, link to sites across the entire political spectrum. For example, I commonly link to Jewish sites, but that doesn't mean I am pro-Jewish, nor would anyone reading my website possibly think so.

Thank you for your time,
Rich Brooks