Thread: Poe quits Freedom Caucus in aftermath of failed ObamaCare overhaul

Jim Jordan from the Freedom Caucus was on Fox News Sunday trying to explain the Freedom Caucus position and he says the only thing his team is going to vote for is a plan that reduces premium costs by excluding pre-existing conditions and essential health benefits from the policies.

BWAAAAHAAAAA!!!

Oh Lord, I thought they wanted to repeal the mandates and tax penalties and restore liberty to the American People. But no, that isn't what they wanted to do, thye wanted to repeal the prohibitions on insurance companies excluding people with pre-existing conditions, keeping children on policies until they're 26, and the required 10 essential health benefits of an insurance policy to "reduce the premiums". Trump of course wouldn't agree to removing the pre-existing conditions or keeping children on policies until they're 26, but he did agree that last night to remove the essential health benefits of insurance policies.

Jordan also said they only wanted to repeal Obamacare, and not have a replacement at the same time.

Priebus said on Face the Nation today that Trump is moving on and Americans will have Obamacare for the foreseeable future.

GOP Rep Jordan: Freedom Caucus ‘Did the Country a Favor’ in Killing AHCA




by PAM KEY26 Mar 20176253

On this weekend’s broadcast “Fox News Sunday,” House Freedom Caucus vice chairman Jim Jordan (R-OH) said the Freedom Caucus did the “country a favor” when they refused to support the House Republican health care bill.

Jordan said, “Let’s get back to work and do what we told the voters we would do. Remember this bill — 17 percent of the country approved of this bill. Maybe the fact that we opposed it, we did that country a favor because this bill didn’t repeal Obamacare. This bill didn’t do what we told the American people we would do. Let’s be responsible, get back to work and do what we told the American people what we were going to accomplish which is repeal Obamacare and replace it with a patient-centered health care program.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/...-killing-ahca/

Yeah, sure, do that!! Good luck! Be sure to let US know when it happens. From what I can tell, Americans are done with this bull. No one who has Medicaid wants to give it up. No one who has a subsidy wants to trade it in for a tax credit and a HSA account. No one who is protected on their parent's policy or who has a pre-existing condition wants to give it up. No one with Walmart health insurance wants to take it with them if they get a job with General Electric or the DuPont Company, they want GE's or DuPont's. No one on Medicare wants any changes to that. No one wants to be treated by a Physician Assistant instead of an MD. No one wants the licensing of Medical Providers to be more "flexible", if anything they want it more stringent to keep the quacks out of the business. No one wants an individual policy if they have a job, they want company insurance. And most Americans do not want the Pro-Life Movement involved in their health insurance plans at all on any level.

Maybe before you "bold" a term like "patient-centered health care program", you should investigate what it is they're talking about.

It's right here:

http://www.heritage.org/health-care-...ed-health-care

So, Trump's got this. He saw the writing on the wall. That's why he pulled the vote. It's over.

Obamacare is here to stay.

Originally Posted by Judy

Jim Jordan from the Freedom Caucus was on Fox News Sunday trying to explain the Freedom Caucus position and he says the only thing his team is going to vote for is a plan that reduces premium costs by excluding pre-existing conditions and essential health benefits from the policies.

BWAAAAHAAAAA!!!

Oh Lord, I thought they wanted to repeal the mandates and tax penalties and restore liberty to the American People. But no, that isn't what they wanted to do, thye wanted to repeal the prohibitions on insurance companies excluding people with pre-existing conditions, keeping children on policies until they're 26, and the required 10 essential health benefits of an insurance policy to "reduce the premiums". Trump of course wouldn't agree to removing the pre-existing conditions or keeping children on policies until they're 26, but he did agree that last night to remove the essential health benefits of insurance policies.

Jordan also said they only wanted to repeal Obamacare, and not have a replacement at the same time.

Priebus said on Face the Nation today that Trump is moving on and Americans will have Obamacare for the foreseeable future.

I have absolutely no problem with repealing Obamacare without a replacement at the same time. Overall, we were better off before Obamacare came into existence. Furthermore, I also have no problem with wiping out the Obama mandate on pre-existing conditions or keeping 26 year old adults on their parents health plan. I'm sorry that you've been made to feel more comfortable with those Obama mandates, but they have been a huge financial drain on most Americans.

Well, of course you don't. You have insurance. Presumably employer provided so Obamacare doesn't have anything to do with you to begin with. Before Obamacare, there was a law that protected employees from exclusion due to pre-existing conditions on employer policies, so you've never been in that situation. Most Americans haven't. I haven't. But I can certainly understand the problem for those in the individual market who have been and are today. I can't see any fairness in a set of laws that protects one group of insured like those with employer paid insurance and abandons those out there on their own needing individual policies. That's not "conservative", that sure as hell isn't Republican, hell, that isn't even American. That's just self-centered wrong.

How about we repeal that government law that protects employees for pre-existing conditions?

Originally Posted by Judy

Well, of course you don't. You have insurance. Presumably employer provided so Obamacare doesn't have anything to do with you to begin with. Before Obamacare, there was a law that protected employees from exclusion due to pre-existing conditions on employer policies, so you've never been in that situation. Most Americans haven't. I haven't. But I can certainly understand the problem for those in the individual market who have been and are today. I can't see any fairness in a set of laws that protects one group of insured like those with employer paid insurance and abandons those out there on their own needing individual policies. That's not "conservative", that sure as hell isn't Republican, hell, that isn't even American. That's just self-centered wrong.

How about we repeal that government law that protects employees for pre-existing conditions?

You have the right to your opinions and I have the right to mine.

Oh, no answer to my question? I am shocked!!

Originally Posted by Judy

Oh, no answer to my question? I am shocked!!

I didn't think a response was necessary because your question isn't relative to the discussion. By your own admission it wasn't part of Obamacare.

There were a number of items in the GOP/Trump plan that have nothing to do with Obamacare. Negotiating drug prices for Medicare and Medicaid, expanding HSA's, allowing equal tax treatment of insurance expenses, whether an employer or self-employed, repealing McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945, for example.

But that's okay. I don't expect anyone protected against pre-existing exclusion to want to give it up, but I would have expected you or anyone else to understand why if you're protected by federal law on pre-existing conditions, that everyone should be.