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    Some might call this a conspiracy theory.

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    Makes you wonder if in the beginning they did not expect to encounter such a huge protest by the American people about illegal immigration and "guest worker" programs they intended to force upon this country?
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    Makes you wonder if in the beginning they did not expect to encounter such a huge protest by the American people about illegal immigration and "guest worker" programs they intended to force upon this country?
    I've wondered that. Martial law and poof there goes what's left of our liberty. Like "quise of terror" the potential for conflict between illegals and citizens would be always present and therefore martial law unending.

    Hasn't happened yet from our side anyway. Many Citizens have been harmed by these people who are here illegally. When a Citizen retaliates you can bet your sweep bippy they won't get a hand slap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xanadu
    Makes you wonder if in the beginning they did not expect to encounter such a huge protest by the American people about illegal immigration and "guest worker" programs they intended to force upon this country?
    I've wondered that. Martial law and poof there goes what's left of our liberty. Like "quise of terror" the potential for conflict between illegals and citizens would be always present and therefore martial law unending.

    Hasn't happened yet from our side anyway. Many Citizens have been harmed by these people who are here illegally. When a Citizen retaliates you can bet your sweep bippy they won't get a hand slap.
    if the citizens of this country had protested in the streets by the masses, it would have been called a rebellion and an insurrection and martial law could have been implemented -- when illegals march it's a 'protest'

    the American people didn't give them the excuse they were looking for to implement martial law
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    The vote was not closed on schedule. Tom Delay, who was still in charge at the time, stated that the president wants this bill and the vote will not end until it passes.
    What do you mean the vote won't end until it passes? What an assinine atttitude. Those House members should have stood up and told Delay that he's out of line, after all who in the hell does he think he is saying that? Better yet, why didn't those House members raise hell and have the President put under investigation possibly for ordering the searches without a warrent. Why are all of these things the President is doing wrong not investigated? I think we have a thug in the White House as well as in the Senate. They should all be accused of treason. Gutless SOBs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockfish
    The vote was not closed on schedule. Tom Delay, who was still in charge at the time, stated that the president wants this bill and the vote will not end until it passes.
    What do you mean the vote won't end until it passes? What an assinine atttitude. Those House members should have stood up and told Delay that he's out of line, after all who in the hell does he think he is saying that? Better yet, why didn't those House members raise hell and have the President put under investigation possibly for ordering the searches without a warrent. Why are all of these things the President is doing wrong not investigated? I think we have a thug in the White House as well as in the Senate. They should all be accused of treason. Gutless SOBs
    so much for the will of the people -- freedom is an illusion
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    Just an FYI this item has been pulled from Congress. org it may have run out of its 30 days or it may have been pulled because of reference to the "trade agreements".
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    FYI article pulled from congress.org or it ran out of its 30 days
    "Liberty CANNOT be preserved without general knowledge among people" John Adams (August 1765)

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    North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)

    NAFTA was the first trade agreement to include immigration-related provisions that opened up foreign competition for American jobs. NAFTA expanded free trade provisions that had previously existed between the United States and Canada to include Mexico. It also established provisions for a broadly defined list of professional workers to work temporarily among the three countries. Mexico’s economy, however, is very dissimilar to ours and Canada’s, so the implications of expanding free trade and immigration provisions was highly controversial and would have led to efforts to restrict or eliminate these treaty provisions had it not been for the fast-track authority which limited Congress to only an up-or-down vote.

    To allay Congress’ concern over a NAFTA provision allowing unlimited entry of professional temporary workers, U.S. negotiators included a phased-in provision for Mexicans. For the first ten years, the number of visas for Mexican professional workers was set at 5,500, not including any accompanying immediate family members. After that period—beginning in January 2004—the number of Mexicans who may get visas to work as professionals in the United States (on TN-visas) becomes unlimited.[6] Even with this phased-in provision, the agreement was hard fought, but eventually passed the House by a close vote of 234-200. During the ten-year phase-in, admissions were fewer than the limit.
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    The message from the executive branch to Congress is clear: vote yes on the Immigration and Amnesty Bill without any major alterations or your career is over.

    Here's a message, loud and clear, from the American voters. Pass an amnesty bill and we'll make sure your career is over.
    REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

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