Thread: President Trump, ObamaCare is not “dead” as you claim

With today’s vote in the House, Republicans have officially agreed to the Democrat Party Leadership’s usurping a power to enter the States and tax for, spend on and regulate the people’s health-care needs and choices.


Tell us President Trump, what wording in our federal Constitution has delegated a power to Congress to enter the States and tax for, spend on and regulate the people’s health-care needs and choices?


Why have you decided to ignore the very Constitution which you took an oath to support and defend? Why do you ignore the Tenth Amendment and Article V of our Constitution which is the only lawful way to delegate a power to the federal government to enter the States and tax for, spend on and regulate the people’s health-care needs and choices?


JWK



Obamacare by consent of the governed (Article 5) our amendment process --- tyranny by a majority vote in Congress or a Supreme Court’s majority vote!

Commerce Clause, the same as every other private business in the United States. Trump has REPEALED through this House bill all the unconstitutional mandates that were in Obamacare, Johnwk.

Did you not know that? This bill repeals the mandates on Americans in the "STATES" to have to buy health insurance or pay tax penalties. This bill repeals the mandates on American Businesses to provide health insurance or pay tax penalties. This bill repeals the tax mandates on successful Americans because someone thinks they're "rich". This President just restored our freedom and gave us all our liberty back. Why attack him? Why attack the President who is ending the stranglehold of Obama's unconstitutional acts on health insurance? Trump is also forcing the repeal of the McCarran-Ferguson Act at least with respect to health insurance. This subjects all insurance companies to the Sherman Anti-Trust Act that applies to every American business engaged in interstate commerce and puts them on the same playing field as every other business in the United States.

Why are you upset with Trump who is actually fixing problems instead of the ones who created them?

trump is working for ryan and ryan's boss - DISGRACEFUL - this is ryan's bill to take away from seniors to pay for illegals - and the rich get richer..trump is absolutely a big disappointing liar and will be a one term president.

GOP/Trumpcare bill will:

• Eliminate the guarantee that insurance companies cover maternity care, cancer treatments and substance abuse care.
• Give away $600 billion in tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans , including nearly $200,000 each in a single year for the wealthiest 0.1 percent of Americans.
• Increase out-of-pocket costs for older Americans by as much as $12,900 and allows health insurance companies to charge older Americans five times more —effectively establishing an “Age Tax.
• Gut Medicaid by $880 billion and end the program as we know it, leading to the rationing of care for children, seniors, and people with disabilities.
• End Medicaid expansion, meaning 11 million working families, children, people with disabilities, hard-working families, and seniors will lose their insurance .
• Eliminate federal funding for Planned Parenthood, putting care for 2.5 million patients nationwide at risk.
• Disproportionately hurt Americans living in rural areas , and in some cases cause a consumer’s plan to exceed their annual income

Why does anyone believe the Congressional Budget Office? They are the same ones who lied about Obamacare to pass it to begin with.

These people who work in the CBO are not non-partisan despite their claims to the contrary. They also aren't business people. They know nothing about markets, consumers, revenues, industry tricks and bad practices, schemes, collusion or free enterprise. They're government people who know budgets, government spending and revenues, they don't know anything about industries, business or what happens in that arena. Most of Congress doesn't either, which is why their job is to regulate under Sherman Anti-Trust and fair trade laws, and otherwise, stay the hell out of it.

ryancare ain't passing the senate and trump is a liar. This is ryan's plan - screw our seniors to pay for anchor babies, refugees & put more money into the pockets of the rich.

Is their stardust afloating - clear it away. Open borders ryan's plan has always been to break the backs of American seniors for his free to come and go, take jobs ILLEGALS! trump works for ryan!

artist, what is it that you're so upset about? You wanted to keep Obamacare? Obamacare is dead, it's dying on its own failed merits.

Oh yes, the health care bill will pass the Senate. Guaranteed. It may change a little and that's fine, whatever tweak, finesse or whatever they feel they need to do to get the votes is what needs to be done and on this, McConnell will do his job, so will Trump. The media and socialists will make all the hay and drama out of the story they possibly can for the next 3 weeks or so, but it will pass and Trump will sign it into law.

It won't matter what the CBO Score is because they're completely unreliable on bills like this that impact free markets. They aren't business people and have no means or knowledge to score premiums, costs, earnings, trade or anything else, that's why they screwed up so bad on scoring Obamacare to begin with. Makes one wonder how many other major legislations they've screwed up on over the years like trade and immigration legislation.

You know also that nothing happens under this bill until FY 2020. Nothing changes in FY 2017, nothing changes in FY 2018, nothing changes in FY 2019, nothing changes until FY 2020 which starts in October of 2019.

Also, you know that all the tripe about people on Medicaid losing their insurance is wrong. Medicaid stays the same, it doesn't change. The Medicaid Expansion continues indefinitely except that the formula is based on what Medicaid pays states for the blind and disabled which is 50%. And Chris Collins just explained all this to Wolf Blitzer, why should US taxpayers reimburse states with expanded Medicaid for able-bodied people at 90% when it only reimburses states for the blind and disabled at 50%?

There will be a lot of other great news about this bill coming out now that the media has to focus on the facts instead of its corrupt hysteria.

Originally Posted by Judy

Commerce Clause, the same as every other private business in the United States.

What about the Commerce Clause? How does its wording grant a power to Congress to tax for and finance Medicaid, or the health-care needs of the millions of children of foreigners who have invaded our borders?

JWK




American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade our borders to give birth.

The Commerce Clause describes an enumerated power listed in the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3). The clause states that the United States Congress shall have power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."

Commerce Clause - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause


Commerce Clause

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Constitutional Law of the United States

The Commerce Clause describes an enumerated power listed in the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3). The clause states that the United States Congress shall have power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes." Courts and commentators have tended to discuss each of these three areas of commerce as a separate power granted to Congress.^[1] It is common to see the individual components of the Commerce Clause referred to under specific terms: The Foreign Commerce Clause, the Interstate Commerce Clause,^[2] and the Indian Commerce Clause.

Dispute exists within the courts as to the range of powers granted to Congress by the Commerce Clause. As noted below, the clause is often paired with the Necessary and Proper Clause, the combination used to take a broad, expansive perspective of these powers. However, the effect of the Commerce Clause has varied significantly depending on the Supreme Court's interpretation. During the Marshall Court era, Commerce Clause interpretation empowered Congress to gain jurisdiction over numerous aspects of intrastate and interstate commerce as well as non-commerce. During the post-1937 era, the use of the Commerce Clause by Congress to authorize federal control of economic matters became effectively unlimited. Since the latter half of the Rehnquist Court era, Congressional use of the Commerce Clause has become slightly restricted again, being limited only to matters of trade or any other form of restricted area (whether interstate or not) and production (whether commercial or not).

The Commerce Clause is the source of federal drug prohibition laws under the Controlled Substances Act. In the recent medical marijuana case, Gonzales v. Raich, the Supreme Court rejected the argument that the ban on growing medical marijuana for personal use exceeded Congress' powers under the Commerce Clause. Even if no goods were sold or transported across state lines, the Court found that there could be an "indirect" effect on interstate commerce. In reaching this conclusion, the Court relied heavily on the New Deal era case, Wickard v. Filburn, which held that the government may regulate personal cultivation and consumption of crops because the aggregate effect of individual consumption could have an "indirect" effect on interstate commerce.

Medicaid also finances 20% Payment for our lower income seniors - the reality is WE NEED ILLEGALS AND ANCHOR BABIES OFF OUR MEDICAID AND OUT OF OUR SOCIAL SERVICES AND COUNTY NOW - Where is trump on that nowhere - he follows ryan's orders.

AREN'T YOU UPSET @ THAT??????????

Now you got ryancare, eliminating all help for our seniors, they will pay more. God forbid this will come to pass - Wake up people, this is another package for illegals and their anchor babies and to hell with American citizens. This is what ryan has been preaching for years - screw our seniors - does anyone hear the voice of trump the campaigner on this - NO TRUMP LIES!

REMOVE ALL SOCIAL SERVICES FOR ILLEGALS, "REFUGEES' AND THEIR PARENTS - THAT ELIMINATES 50% of the cost - WELL, WELL, WE ACTUALLY DO NOT HAVE TO SCREW OUR AMERICAN SENIORS AS RYAN AND NOW TRUMP IS ON BOARD WITH. AS LONG AS IT BENEFITS THE RICH, TRUMP IS ON BOARD - HE IS NAUSEATING! One term president and the republicans fault for being overgreedy to inflate the riches of the already rich.

Obamacare v Republican plan compared

By Anthony Zurcher North America reporter.

Now, with a governing majority, they've had to come up with a replacement plan - a task that has proved much more challenging than they may have imagined.

Here's a look at some key differences between the existing law, informally known as Obamacare, and the American Health Care Act, crafted by the Trump administration and Republican leadership in the House of Representatives.

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Individual mandate

Obamacare: All Americans are required to have health insurance or pay a tax penalty.
Republican plan: The mandate is repealed, but individuals who forgo health insurance for more than 63 days must pay a 30% surcharge on their insurance premiums for a year.

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Employer mandate

Obamacare: Companies with more than 50 employees are required to offer health insurance or pay a penalty.
Republican plan: This mandate is repealed.

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Taxes

Obamacare: Raised Medicare taxes on the wealthy and imposed new taxes on medical devices, health insurers, drug companies, investment income, tanning salons and high-end health insurance plans.
Republican plan: Repeals most Obamacare taxes and delays implementation of the tax on high-end health insurance plans to 2026.

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Insurance for dependents

Obamacare: Required insurers to allow children under age 26 to be covered by their parents' policies
Republican plan: Maintains this requirement.

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Pre-existing condition coverage

Obamacare: Prohibits insurers from denying coverage or charging more to individuals who have pre-existing medical conditions.
Republican plan: Gives states the option to waive pre-existing coverage requirements if they set up high-risk insurance plans for individuals who would be priced out by traditional insurers.

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Essential health benefits

Obamacare: Requires all insurance plans to cover certain health conditions and services, such as emergency room visits, cancer treatment, annual physical exams, prescription drug costs, mental health counselling and women's health services.
Republican plan: Allows states to define what benefits are mandated or opt out of the requirement entirely.

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Medicaid

Obamacare: Expanded Medicaid health insurance for the poor to cover more low-income individuals.
Republican plan: Curtails federal funding for Medicaid expansion beginning in 2020 and give states the option to receive federal dollars as a block grant instead of based on number of enrolees.

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Capping expenses

Obamacare: Prohibits insurers from limiting the amount they would reimburse for expenses for "essential health benefits" and curbs the annual amount a family must pay for these benefits.
Republican plan: Continues this prohibition and retains limits on so-called out-of-pocket expenses.

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Subsidies

Obamacare: Provided refundable tax credits for low-income individuals who purchased their insurance on government-run marketplaces and support for some out-of-pocket medical expenses.
Republican plan: Makes tax credits based on an individual's age, which are phased out at higher income levels. Ends tax credits for out-of-pocket expenses.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39810145

Originally Posted by johnwk

What about the Commerce Clause? How does its wording grant a power to Congress to tax for and finance Medicaid, or the health-care needs of the millions of children of foreigners who have invaded our borders?

JWK




American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade our borders to give birth.

Oh I thought you were talking about the regulation of insurance, that is the commerce clause. As to the Medicaid program, that's part of the Social Security Medicare and Medicaid Services Act. How they amended it with Obamacare to add all these other people, I don't know. Ask Obama and the DemoQuacks who created this costly quagmire.

Trump will have to figure it out in the Senate. I can already tell from their statements, they're lost. They have Susan Collins, the Republican Obstructionist to Republicanism holding a big seat on their 12 person "working group". She'll have her ally Lisa Murkowski from Alaska, to ensure 2 no votes. So, we go into this with 50 votes plus I guess Mike Pence who can break the tie, I assume that works in a budget reconciliation bill, but I'm not sure.

So Trump will have to get in there and figure it out. And he will. He wants to fix this mess so we can move on to tax reform so we can move on to creating good jobs with employers that not only increases the employment of Americans but does so with companies that traditionally offer good benefit plans like health insurance. That is how you reduce the number of "uninsured" in the United States.

The health insurance "crisis" wasn't caused by the health insurance industry, it was caused by the loss of good jobs that provided health insurance and the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945. Obamacare just made it worse. Now more people have better insurance on Expanded Medicaid by not working than if they were.

PERIOD OF IRONIES AND OPPOSITES!