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    President Trump, ObamaCare is not “dead” as you claim




    With today’s vote in the House, Republicans have officially agreed to the Democrat Party Leadership’s usurping a power to enter the States and tax for, spend on and regulate the people’s health-care needs and choices.


    Tell us President Trump, what wording in our federal Constitution has delegated a power to Congress to enter the States and tax for, spend on and regulate the people’s health-care needs and choices?


    Why have you decided to ignore the very Constitution which you took an oath to support and defend? Why do you ignore the Tenth Amendment and Article V of our Constitution which is the only lawful way to delegate a power to the federal government to enter the States and tax for, spend on and regulate the people’s health-care needs and choices?


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    Obamacare by consent of the governed (Article 5) our amendment process --- tyranny by a majority vote in Congress or a Supreme Court’s majority vote!

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    Commerce Clause, the same as every other private business in the United States. Trump has REPEALED through this House bill all the unconstitutional mandates that were in Obamacare, Johnwk.

    Did you not know that? This bill repeals the mandates on Americans in the "STATES" to have to buy health insurance or pay tax penalties. This bill repeals the mandates on American Businesses to provide health insurance or pay tax penalties. This bill repeals the tax mandates on successful Americans because someone thinks they're "rich". This President just restored our freedom and gave us all our liberty back. Why attack him? Why attack the President who is ending the stranglehold of Obama's unconstitutional acts on health insurance? Trump is also forcing the repeal of the McCarran-Ferguson Act at least with respect to health insurance. This subjects all insurance companies to the Sherman Anti-Trust Act that applies to every American business engaged in interstate commerce and puts them on the same playing field as every other business in the United States.

    Why are you upset with Trump who is actually fixing problems instead of the ones who created them?
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    trump is working for ryan and ryan's boss - DISGRACEFUL - this is ryan's bill to take away from seniors to pay for illegals - and the rich get richer..trump is absolutely a big disappointing liar and will be a one term president.

    GOP/Trumpcare bill will:


    • Eliminate the guarantee that insurance companies cover maternity care, cancer treatments and substance abuse care.
    • Give away $600 billion in tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans , including nearly $200,000 each in a single year for the wealthiest 0.1 percent of Americans.
    • Increase out-of-pocket costs for older Americans by as much as $12,900 and allows health insurance companies to charge older Americans five times more —effectively establishing an “Age Tax.
    • Gut Medicaid by $880 billion and end the program as we know it, leading to the rationing of care for children, seniors, and people with disabilities.
    • End Medicaid expansion, meaning 11 million working families, children, people with disabilities, hard-working families, and seniors will lose their insurance .
    • Eliminate federal funding for Planned Parenthood, putting care for 2.5 million patients nationwide at risk.
    • Disproportionately hurt Americans living in rural areas , and in some cases cause a consumer’s plan to exceed their annual income
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    Why does anyone believe the Congressional Budget Office? They are the same ones who lied about Obamacare to pass it to begin with.

    These people who work in the CBO are not non-partisan despite their claims to the contrary. They also aren't business people. They know nothing about markets, consumers, revenues, industry tricks and bad practices, schemes, collusion or free enterprise. They're government people who know budgets, government spending and revenues, they don't know anything about industries, business or what happens in that arena. Most of Congress doesn't either, which is why their job is to regulate under Sherman Anti-Trust and fair trade laws, and otherwise, stay the hell out of it.
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    ryancare ain't passing the senate and trump is a liar. This is ryan's plan - screw our seniors to pay for anchor babies, refugees & put more money into the pockets of the rich.

    Is their stardust afloating - clear it away. Open borders ryan's plan has always been to break the backs of American seniors for his free to come and go, take jobs ILLEGALS! trump works for ryan!

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    Artist where does this age tax or increase for out pocket expense show up. I can't find any increase on medicare. I see how it affects medicaid. Please show me the facts before I stroke out and won't need health insurance😗

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    artist, what is it that you're so upset about? You wanted to keep Obamacare? Obamacare is dead, it's dying on its own failed merits.

    Oh yes, the health care bill will pass the Senate. Guaranteed. It may change a little and that's fine, whatever tweak, finesse or whatever they feel they need to do to get the votes is what needs to be done and on this, McConnell will do his job, so will Trump. The media and socialists will make all the hay and drama out of the story they possibly can for the next 3 weeks or so, but it will pass and Trump will sign it into law.

    It won't matter what the CBO Score is because they're completely unreliable on bills like this that impact free markets. They aren't business people and have no means or knowledge to score premiums, costs, earnings, trade or anything else, that's why they screwed up so bad on scoring Obamacare to begin with. Makes one wonder how many other major legislations they've screwed up on over the years like trade and immigration legislation.

    You know also that nothing happens under this bill until FY 2020. Nothing changes in FY 2017, nothing changes in FY 2018, nothing changes in FY 2019, nothing changes until FY 2020 which starts in October of 2019.

    Also, you know that all the tripe about people on Medicaid losing their insurance is wrong. Medicaid stays the same, it doesn't change. The Medicaid Expansion continues indefinitely except that the formula is based on what Medicaid pays states for the blind and disabled which is 50%. And Chris Collins just explained all this to Wolf Blitzer, why should US taxpayers reimburse states with expanded Medicaid for able-bodied people at 90% when it only reimburses states for the blind and disabled at 50%?

    There will be a lot of other great news about this bill coming out now that the media has to focus on the facts instead of its corrupt hysteria.
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    Who Wins and Who Loses in the Latest G.O.P. Health Care Bill

    Margot Sanger-Katz @sangerkatz
    MAY 4, 2017

    The American Health Care Act, which narrowly won passage in the House on Thursday, could transform the nation’s health insurance system and create a new slate of winners and losers.

    While the Senate will probably demand changes, this bill, if it becomes law in its current form, will repeal and replace large portions of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). It will change the rules and subsidies for people who buy their own insurance coverage, and make major cuts to the Medicaid program, which funds care for the poor and disabled.


    Any sizable change in our complex health care system leaves some people and businesses better or worse off. For some, insurance will become more affordable — or their taxes will be lower. Others will lose out on financial support or health care coverage. You can see how you might be affected in our summary of winners and losers.


    Winners


    High-income earners: The bill eliminates two taxes on individuals earning more than $200,000 or couples earning more than $250,000: a 0.9 percent increase on the Medicare payroll tax, and a 3.8 percent tax on investment income. It also allows people to save more money in tax-excluded health savings accounts, a change most useful to people with enough money to have savings.

    Upper-middle-class people without pre-existing health conditions: The Affordable Care Act cut off subsidies to help people buy their insurance at an income of around $48,000 for a single person. The American Health Care Act would let people get government subsidies much higher up the income scale — up to about $150,000. But the bill allows states to waive rules on minimum benefit standards and rules that prevent insurance companies from charging higher prices to customers with pre-existing illnesses. That means, over all, the gap between the tax subsidies and the cost of needed care could widen, even for some people who will get extra financial help.


    Young, middle-class people without pre-existing health conditions: The bill would change how insurance companies price their products in a way that would lower prices for young customers. It also gives them a flat subsidy that is, in many cases, higher than what they would receive under Obamacare. There is some variation by region, and people with pre-existing conditions could be charged higher prices in some states.

    GRAPHIC


    Which Republicans Flipped to Allow the G.O.P. Health Care Bill to Finally Pass

    An analysis of how House Republicans voted on the bill.

    OPEN GRAPHIC

    People who wish to go without insurance: The bill would eliminate the individual mandate, which charges a tax penalty to Americans who can afford insurance but do not obtain it.

    People who want less comprehensive health coverage: The bill allows insurers to offer health plans with higher deductibles and co-payments, a change likely to lower premiums. Customers in states that waive benefit rules may also be able to buy plans not covering as many medical services, like maternity coverage.


    Large employers: The bill eliminates Obamacare’s employer mandate, which required large employers to offer affordable coverage to their workers. If the bill becomes law, companies that do not wish to cover their workers will face no penalty. It frees all large employers of the complex reporting necessary to enforce the provision. It also pushes back enactment of a tax on high-cost employer health plans.


    Medical device companies, indoor tanning companies and a few other medical industries: The bill rolls back taxes on devices, tanning, prescription drugs and health insurance products. Some of those industries may lose a little as well — insurance companies, for example, may have fewer paying customers.

    Losers


    Poor people: Many states would be expected to roll back their expansions of the Medicaid program to cover childless adults without disabilities. The bill would also substantially reduce subsidies available for Americans just over the poverty line, the group that benefited most from Obamacare’s subsidies. Poor Americans are much more likely to become uninsured under the bill, according to the Congressional Budget Office, and those who retained coverage would pay much more of their limited incomes on premiums and deductibles.

    Older Americans, in most states: The same factors that make the bill better for many young Americans make it worse for those who are older. Insurance companies could charge a 64-year-old customer five times the price charged to an 18-year-old one, to cite the most extreme example. The changes in the subsidy formula would also require older middle-class Americans to pay a much larger share of their health insurance bill. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that far fewer older Americans would have insurance coverage under this bill than under the Affordable Care Act.


    Who Wins and Who Loses Under Republicans’ Health Care Plan


    Maps comparing tax credits under the Affordable Care act and those in the plan House Republicans recently released across groups of incomes and ages.



    People with pre-existing health conditions, particularly in some states. The bill allows states to waive rules on minimum benefit standards and rules that prohibit insurance companies from charging higher prices to customers with a history of serious illness — or even minor diseases. And it could mean their insurance covers fewer medical services. The benefit changes could also affect Medicaid beneficiaries, and they could mean cutbacks on coverage for mental health and drug addiction treatment.

    States that waive the rule about prices would be required to set up a program for high-risk customers, and would get some federal funding to do so, but the details are unclear.


    State governments: The bill cuts back substantially on federal funding for state Medicaid programs, while offering states only limited new flexibility in how they manage them.

    Over time, the changes are likely to shift an increasing share of Medicaid costs onto states.


    Hospitals: Assessing an earlier version of the bill, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that some 24 million fewer people would have health insurance in a decade. Some of those people would still have medical emergencies and require hospital care. Obamacare made substantial cuts in how much Medicare pays hospitals, on the theory that they would make up the difference with more paying customers.

    The Republican bill does not restore any of the Medicare cuts.

    Hospitals in poor communities where a lot of people signed up for Medicaid would probably experience the biggest hit.


    Planned Parenthood: The bill would prevent Planned Parenthood from receiving any federal money for one year, a major hit for a health care provider that relies substantially on payments from Medicaid and the Title X family planning grant to provide contraception, cancer screenings and other women’s health services. The bill would also seek to reduce access to abortions, by preventing federal subsidies from going to any health plan that covers abortions

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/u...care-bill.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Commerce Clause, the same as every other private business in the United States.
    What about the Commerce Clause? How does its wording grant a power to Congress to tax for and finance Medicaid, or the health-care needs of the millions of children of foreigners who have invaded our borders?

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    American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade our borders to give birth.


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