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    Posylady, my mother died last year from Breast Cancer. She was 90. I was told by the doctor that they do got give mammograms after 70. They told me to go to my doctor and have it added to my medical record that my mother had been diagnosed at 90 with Breast Cancer and then regular mammograms would be authorized and paid for after 70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    It is not dead. The very purpose of Obamacare was to get the majority of American People to believe our federal government has been delegated a power to meddle in our health-care needs and choices, and to use its taxing power to provide subsidies to a privileged group to be used to buy health insurance.

    What Bill passed the House which declares Obamacare is hereby repealed? The fact is, there is no such Bill and Obamcare, which created a sweeping federal power grab over our health-care needs and health-care insurance is still alive and well and the camel's nose is officially under the tent. Over time, just like social security, our federal government's involvement will grow inch, by inch, now that the Republican Party Leadership has joined the Democrat Party Leadership in usurping a power never intended to be exercised by Congress.




    "When a free people submit to oppressive acts, passed in violation of their constitution, for a single day, they have thrown down the palladium of their liberty. Submit to despotism for an hour and you concede the principle. John Adams said, in 1775, Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud. It is the only thing a people determined to be free can do. Republics have often failed, and have been succeeded by the most revolting despotisms; and always it was the voice of timidity, cowardice, or false leaders counseling submission, that led to the final downfall of freedom. It was the cowardice and treachery of the Senate of Rome that allowed the usurper to gain power, inch by inch, to overthrow the Republic. The history of the downfall of Republics is the same in all ages. The first inch that is yielded to despotism __ the first blow, dealt at the Constitution, that is not resisted is the beginning of the end of the nation's ruin." ___ THE OLD GUARD, A MONTHLY JOURNAL DEVOTED TO THE PRINCIPLES OF 1776 AND1787.

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    Americancitizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance amaternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries whoinvade our borders to give birth.

    When you repeal the mandates, which this bill does, Obamacare is dead. The federal government can no longer force you to purchase as an individual or provide, if you're an employer. Everything you do is up to you. You can purchase if you want, you can provide employees with health care, if you want. What you do is up to you.

    The rest of it is either government regulation of a business, like every other business in the country, or socialist government hand-outs like all of our government hand-outs.
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    72,000 Iowans could be first to lose coverage as insurance market collapses


    The two largest health insurers offering individual coverage in Iowa, Aetna and Wellmark Blue Cross & Blue Shield, announced last month that they would stop selling such policies for next year because of heavy financial losses and uncertainty in the market.
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    Obamacare is stupid. But CBO said it was great. I guess they meant greatly stupid.
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    California progressive libs are going nuts. I got a message from a Gavin Newsom's flunky. It went like this.

    If you had a heart attack tonight and your insurance company denied you coverage, what is your plan?

    Would you sale your house?
    Would you pay out of pocket?
    Would you use Californias new health care plan?

    Stupid, fear mongering fools.

    My reply was - I would go the ER and tell them I was an illegal immigrant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontereySherry View Post
    California progressive libs are going nuts. I got a message from a Gavin Newsom's flunky. It went like this.

    If you had a heart attack tonight and your insurance company denied you coverage, what is your plan?

    Would you sale your house?
    Would you pay out of pocket?
    Would you use Californias new health care plan?

    Stupid, fear mongering fools.

    My reply was - I would go the ER and tell them I was an illegal immigrant.
    LOL!!!! Good one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    Who Wins and Who Loses in the Latest G.O.P. Health Care Bill

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    The American Health Care Act, which narrowly won passage in the House on Thursday, could transform the nation’s health insurance system and create a new slate of winners and losers.

    While the Senate will probably demand changes, this bill, if it becomes law in its current form, will repeal and replace large portions of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). It will change the rules and subsidies for people who buy their own insurance coverage, and
    make major cuts to the Medicaid program, which funds care for the poor and disabled...
    It's not cuts to Medicaid. That is a lie!! It is a cut in the amount to states who signed up for Expanded Medicaid, from 90% from the Feds to 50%, the same as for the blind and disabled. Nothing changes with Medicaid itself, only the Medicaid Expansion that was part of Obamacare "ACA" legislation, and only to the states. States can pick up the balance if they still want to pay someone who is not Medicaid eligible the same as someone who is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    When you repeal the mandates, which this bill does, Obamacare is dead. .
    ObamaCare is not dead as alleged by Paul Ryan and others.

    What Bill passed the House which declares ObamaCare is hereby repealed?

    The fact is, there is no such Bill and Obamacare, which created a sweeping federal power grab over our health-care needs is still alive and well, and the camel's nose is now officially under the tent and Paul Ryan's Bill assumes a regulatory power in this area.

    Over time, just like Social Security, our federal government's involvement will grow inch, by inch, now that the Republican Party Leadership has officially joined the Democrat Party Leadership in usurping and exercising a power never intended to be placed in Congress' hands by our Constitution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Oh I thought you were talking about the regulation of insurance, that is the commerce clause. As to the Medicaid program, that's part of the Social Security Medicare and Medicaid Services Act.
    And what wording in our federal Constitution has granted a power to Congress to adopt the Social Security Act?


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    And what wording in our federal Constitution has granted a power to Congress to adopt the Social Security Act?


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    I presume the Preamble, the Commerce Clause, and the 16th Amendment which allowed for the income tax that is used to fund the Social Security Act, because labor is part of commerce.
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