Thread: A question about last years bill to this years

What is the difference between last years senate Bill passed in senate, but blocked by the house. In this years House bill? At any rate I expect the senate to come out in call it Amnesty/North American union bill. We will see. Main thing is whats the key differences.

Last years House Bill was HR4437 and it was an enforcement only bill.

Last years Senate Bill was S2611 and it containted amnesty aka guest worker program.

If you want to see the full text of the bills, go to Thomas and select the 109th congress and put in the bill numbers.

Dixie

SEC. 121. IMPROVING THE SECURITY OF MEXICO'S SOUTHERN BORDER.

(a) Technical Assistance- The Secretary of State, in coordination with the Secretary, shall work to cooperate with the head of Foreign Affairs Canada and the appropriate officials of the Government of Mexico to establish a program--

(1) to assess the specific needs of the countries of Central America in maintaining the security of the international borders of such countries;

(2) to use the assessment made under paragraph (1) to determine the financial and technical support needed by the countries of Central America from Canada, Mexico, and the United States to meet such needs;

(3) to provide technical assistance to the countries of Central America to promote issuance of secure passports and travel documents by such countries; and

(4) to encourage the countries of Central America--

(A) to control alien smuggling and trafficking;

(B) to prevent the use and manufacture of fraudulent travel documents; and

(C) to share relevant information with Mexico, Canada, and the United States.

(b) Border Security for the Countries of Central America- The Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall work to cooperate--

(1) with the appropriate officials of the governments of the countries of Central America to provide law enforcement assistance to such countries to specifically address immigration issues to increase the ability of such governments to dismantle human smuggling organizations and gain additional control over the international borders between the countries of Central America; and

(2) with the appropriate officials of the governments of the countries of Central America to establish a program to provide needed equipment, technical assistance, and vehicles to manage, regulate, and patrol such international borders.

(c) Tracking Central American Gangs- The Secretary of State, in coordination with the Secretary and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, shall work to cooperate with the appropriate officials of the governments of other countries of Central America--

(1) to assess the direct and indirect impact on the United States and Central America of deporting violent criminal aliens;

(2) to establish a program and database to track individuals involved in Central American gang activities;

(3) to develop a mechanism that is acceptable to the governments of the countries of Central America and of the United States to notify such a government if an individual suspected of gang activity will be deported to that country prior to the deportation and to provide support for the reintegration of such deportees into that country; and

(4) to develop an agreement to share all relevant information related to individuals connected with Central American gangs.

(d) Limitations on Assistance- Any funds made available to carry out this section shall be subject to the limitations contained in section 551 of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 2006 (Public Law 109-102; 119 Stat. 221.


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c ... dgv:e63816:

After studying them, I would say that the new one is worst.

Here is that piece in the senate bill last year.

SEC. 114. IMPROVING THE SECURITY OF MEXICO'S SOUTHERN BORDER.

(a) Technical Assistance- The Secretary of State, in coordination with the Secretary, shall work to cooperate with the head of Foreign Affairs Canada and the appropriate officials of the Government of Mexico to establish a program--

(1) to assess the specific needs of Guatemala and Belize in maintaining the security of the international borders of such countries;

(2) to use the assessment made under paragraph (1) to determine the financial and technical support needed by Guatemala and Belize from Canada, Mexico, and the United States to meet such needs;

(3) to provide technical assistance to Guatemala and Belize to promote issuance of secure passports and travel documents by such countries; and

(4) to encourage Guatemala and Belize--

(A) to control alien smuggling and trafficking;

(B) to prevent the use and manufacture of fraudulent travel documents; and

(C) to share relevant information with Mexico, Canada, and the United States.

(b) Border Security for Belize, Guatemala, and Mexico- The Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall work to cooperate--

(1) with the appropriate officials of the Government of Guatemala and the Government of Belize to provide law enforcement assistance to Guatemala and Belize that specifically addresses immigration issues to increase the ability of the Government of Guatemala to dismantle human smuggling organizations and gain additional control over the international border between Guatemala and Belize; and

(2) with the appropriate officials of the Government of Belize, the Government of Guatemala, the Government of Mexico, and the governments of neighboring contiguous countries to establish a program to provide needed equipment, technical assistance, and vehicles to manage, regulate, and patrol the international borders between Mexico and Guatemala and between Mexico and Belize.

(c) Tracking Central American Gangs- The Secretary of State, in coordination with the Secretary and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, shall work to cooperate with the appropriate officials of the Government of Mexico, the Government of Guatemala, the Government of Belize, and the governments of other Central American countries--

(1) to assess the direct and indirect impact on the United States and Central America of deporting violent criminal aliens;

(2) to establish a program and database to track individuals involved in Central American gang activities;

(3) to develop a mechanism that is acceptable to the governments of Belize, Guatemala, Mexico, the United States, and other appropriate countries to notify such a government if an individual suspected of gang activity will be deported to that country prior to the deportation and to provide support for the reintegration of such deportees into that country; and

(4) to develop an agreement to share all relevant information related to individuals connected with Central American gangs.

(d) Limitations on Assistance- Any funds made available to carry out this section shall be subject to the limitations contained in section 551 of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act of 2006 (Public Law 109-102; 119 Stat. 221.

SEC. 113. REPORTS ON IMPROVING THE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION ON NORTH AMERICAN SECURITY.

(a) Requirement for Reports- Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, and annually thereafter, the Secretary of State, in coordination with the Secretary and the heads of other appropriate Federal agencies, shall submit to Congress a report on improving the exchange of information related to the security of North America.

(b) Contents- Each report submitted under subsection (a) shall contain a description of the following:

(1) SECURITY CLEARANCES AND DOCUMENT INTEGRITY- The progress made toward the development of common enrollment, security, technical, and biometric standards for the issuance, authentication, validation, and repudiation of secure documents, including--

(A) technical and biometric standards based on best practices and consistent with international standards for the issuance, authentication, validation, and repudiation of travel documents, including--

(i) passports;

(ii) visas; and

(iii) permanent resident cards;

(B) working with Canada and Mexico to encourage foreign governments to enact laws to combat alien smuggling and trafficking, and laws to forbid the use and manufacture of fraudulent travel documents and to promote information sharing;

(C) applying the necessary pressures and support to ensure that other countries meet proper travel document standards and are committed to travel document verification before the citizens of such countries travel internationally, including travel by such citizens to the United States; and

(D) providing technical assistance for the development and maintenance of a national database built upon identified best practices for biometrics associated with visa and travel documents.

(2) IMMIGRATION AND VISA MANAGEMENT- The progress of efforts to share information regarding high-risk individuals who may attempt to enter Canada, Mexico, or the United States, including the progress made--

(A) in implementing the Statement of Mutual Understanding on Information Sharing, signed by Canada and the United States in February 2003; and

(B) in identifying trends related to immigration fraud, including asylum and document fraud, and to analyze such trends.

(3) VISA POLICY COORDINATION AND IMMIGRATION SECURITY- The progress made by Canada, Mexico, and the United States to enhance the security of North America by cooperating on visa policy and identifying best practices regarding immigration security, including the progress made--

(A) in enhancing consultation among officials who issue visas at the consulates or embassies of Canada, Mexico, or the United States throughout the world to share information, trends, and best practices on visa flows;

(B) in comparing the procedures and policies of Canada and the United States related to visitor visa processing, including--

(i) application process;

(ii) interview policy;

(iii) general screening procedures;

(iv) visa validity;

(v) quality control measures; and

(vi) access to appeal or review;

(C) in exploring methods for Canada, Mexico, and the United States to waive visa requirements for nationals and citizens of the same foreign countries;

(D) in providing technical assistance for the development and maintenance of a national database built upon identified best practices for biometrics associated with immigration violators;

(E) in developing and implementing an immigration security strategy for North America that works toward the development of a common security perimeter by enhancing technical assistance for programs and systems to support advance automated reporting and risk targeting of international passengers;

(F) in sharing information on lost and stolen passports on a real-time basis among immigration or law enforcement officials of Canada, Mexico, and the United States; and

(G) in collecting 10 fingerprints from each individual who applies for a visa.

(4) NORTH AMERICAN VISITOR OVERSTAY PROGRAM- The progress made by Canada and the United States in implementing parallel entry-exit tracking systems that, while respecting the privacy laws of both countries, share information regarding third country nationals who have overstayed their period of authorized admission in either Canada or the United States.

(5) TERRORIST WATCH LISTS- The progress made in enhancing the capacity of the United States to combat terrorism through the coordination of counterterrorism efforts, including the progress made--

(A) in developing and implementing bilateral agreements between Canada and the United States and between Mexico and the United States to govern the sharing of terrorist watch list data and to comprehensively enumerate the uses of such data by the governments of each country;

(B) in establishing appropriate linkages among Canada, Mexico, and the United States Terrorist Screening Center; and

(C) in exploring with foreign governments the establishment of a multilateral watch list mechanism that would facilitate direct coordination between the country that identifies an individual as an individual included on a watch list, and the country that owns such list, including procedures that satisfy the security concerns and are consistent with the privacy and other laws of each participating country.

(6) MONEY LAUNDERING, CURRENCY SMUGGLING, AND ALIEN SMUGGLING- The progress made in improving information sharing and law enforcement cooperation in combating organized crime, including the progress made--

(A) in combating currency smuggling, money laundering, alien smuggling, and trafficking in alcohol, firearms, and explosives;

(B) in determining the feasibility of formulating a firearms trafficking action plan between Mexico and the United States;

(C) in developing a joint threat assessment on organized crime between Canada and the United States;

(D) in determining the feasibility of formulating a joint threat assessment on organized crime between Mexico and the United States;

(E) in developing mechanisms to exchange information on findings, seizures, and capture of individuals transporting undeclared currency; and

(F) in developing and implementing a plan to combat the transnational threat of illegal drug trafficking.

(7) LAW ENFORCEMENT COOPERATION- The progress made in enhancing law enforcement cooperation among Canada, Mexico, and the United States through enhanced technical assistance for the development and maintenance of a national database built upon identified best practices for biometrics associated with known and suspected criminals or terrorists, including exploring the formation of law enforcement teams that include personnel from the United States and Mexico, and appropriate procedures for such teams.

SEC.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...2JJVmE:e31282:

These Bill are NOT American IMMIGRATION Bills!!

They have everything And the kitchen Sink thrown in but NOTHING about Immigration into America!

Who's kidding who?

They can't be serious. Who cares about Guatemala, Belize, and every other S American country? What does any of that gobbly-gook 700 page "bill" have to do with immigration? NOTHING!
This is a 700 page monster, with new laws aimed to "integrate" and "harmonize" the Western Hemisphere, to form a new CONSTITUTION FOR A NORTH AMERICAN UNION!

My summary would go something like this:

So far, the bill(s) appear to have been written by immigration lawyers and their lobbyists - and have included a hefty dose of obfuscation (there is WAY TOO MUCH unnecessary verbiage and painful levels of detail about things that aren't all that important) and incorporates a stealthy 'wish list' for everything they want to sneak into the text:

amnesty, guest-worker program(s), increase in work-related visas, path-to-citizenship, in-state tuition, etc.

As far as the 'securing the southern border of Mexico' goes...
It is a little puzzling, but my guess is that either Mexico has lobbied directly for financial assistance as a justification for helping beef up security (noting that it is much, much more difficult for Central Americans to sneak across that border than it is for people of Mexico to sneak into the US' southern border) or the globalists within the Congress have extended this 'favor' to Mexico as part of some larger regional plan. Either way, it probably is going to be paid for by us (uh-hum, US) and is something the Mexican gov't is already actively engaged in doing. If Mexico government can unapologetically police and enforce it's southern border, why can't the US be allowed to do the same???


There are some token positives, but they are really too small and insignificant to even mention.


..Just my humble opinion based on reading the first 1/2 or so in excruciating detail...

This is more of a free trade bill then an immigration bill. The trade is in humans, i.e. cheap laborers, i.e. slaves, i.e. human trafficking. I wonder how long it will be before we are part of the cheap labor commodity for our new overlords.

I just had to look up the section it was referring to in the appropriations bill.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin ... ubl102.109

[[Page 119 STAT. 2218]]

limitation on assistance to security forces

Sec. 551. <<NOTE: Human rights.>> None of the funds made available
by this Act may be provided to any unit of the security forces of a
foreign country if the Secretary of State has credible evidence that
such unit has committed gross violations of human rights, unless the
Secretary determines and reports to the Committees on Appropriations
that the government of such country is taking effective measures to
bring the responsible members of the security forces unit to justice:
Provided, That nothing in this section shall be construed to withhold
funds made available by this Act from any unit of the security forces of
a foreign country not credibly alleged to be involved in gross
violations of human rights: Provided further, That in the event that
funds are withheld from any unit pursuant to this section, the Secretary
of State shall promptly inform the foreign government of the basis for
such action and shall, to the maximum extent practicable, assist the
foreign government in taking effective measures to bring the responsible
members of the security forces to justice.

This is more of a free trade bill then an immigration bill. The trade is in humans, i.e. cheap laborers, i.e. slaves, i.e. human trafficking. I wonder how long it will be before we are part of the cheap labor commodity for our new overlords.

I just had to look up the section it was referring to in the appropriations bill.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin ... ubl102.109

[[Page 119 STAT. 2218]]

limitation on assistance to security forces

Sec. 551. <<NOTE: Human rights.>> None of the funds made available
by this Act may be provided to any unit of the security forces of a
foreign country if the Secretary of State has credible evidence that
such unit has committed gross violations of human rights, unless the
Secretary determines and reports to the Committees on Appropriations
that the government of such country is taking effective measures to
bring the responsible members of the security forces unit to justice:
Provided, That nothing in this section shall be construed to withhold
funds made available by this Act from any unit of the security forces of
a foreign country not credibly alleged to be involved in gross
violations of human rights: Provided further, That in the event that
funds are withheld from any unit pursuant to this section, the Secretary
of State shall promptly inform the foreign government of the basis for
such action and shall, to the maximum extent practicable, assist the
foreign government in taking effective measures to bring the responsible
members of the security forces to justice.