Thread: REAL ID A REALITY

The worse thing that will happen is when the Real ID is morphed into the chip. IF you accept the chip, they will have ACCESS to all of your information and your money. IF YOU STEP OUT OF BOUNDS, like saying something against the government, they will have the resources to turn your transaction processes off and you won't be able to use your money, not even for food. The chip will do away with all paper cash.

I will die of starvation before I allow some stinkin evil butthead to place the sign of the devil in my body. Mark my words, I've said this before.

Ok Just once for this item only
Ill break my own rule against not even giving you the time of day.

But before we go into this you better go find one of your old modes to bail you out. Oh wait shes gone never mind you really are on your own.

You haven’t a clue of what you think you might know about this!!! Wait thats kind of harsh maybe you have read a few books on this Ill give you that one...

Just don’t start your debate with the government is treating Americans like cattle with a real ID when you start.

You start the thread
we will have to agree on the moderator
20 post each
48 hr time limit

"that is a violation of our rights already, this already makes it worse, and what your missing is the government will use this tool to find disinters and classify them as "terrorist"..

Even without it they can find you in minutes

Believe me , been there done that

"Just don’t start your debate with the government is treating Americans like cattle with a real ID when you start."

I agree!!!

They've implanted chips in dogs/cats for years------but I can honestly say that I do not have an implanted chip!!!

Originally Posted by Bren4824

"Just don’t start your debate with the government is treating Americans like cattle with a real ID when you start."

I agree!!!

They've implanted chips in dogs/cats for years------but I can honestly say that I do not have an implanted chip!!!

Ill debate ID on farms all day long and he will loose

No, Greg, I won't give you the time of day until you go educate yourself on this subject. If you don't think this evil crap is coming down, you'd better think twice. For starters, go read the book of Revelations. You can also check this out...a very conspicous coincidence.

Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:00 PM

LONDON -- The beast of the Book of Revelation intruded into the banter of the House of Commons on Thursday when a motion calling for the disestablishment of the Church of England was numbered 666.

http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-580910-.html#580910

It's all tied together, brother.

its 9:00pm my time ILL be back after the movie
I promised the wife

Originally Posted by Rockfish

No, Greg, I won't give you the time of day until you go educate yourself on this subject. If you don't think this evil crap is coming down, you'd better think twice. For starters, go read the book of Revelations. You can also check this out...a very conspicous coincidence.

Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:00 PM

LONDON -- The beast of the Book of Revelation intruded into the banter of the House of Commons on Thursday when a motion calling for the disestablishment of the Church of England was numbered 666.

http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-580910-.html#580910

It's all tied together, brother.

good thing I wasnt talking to you then

Here's a further version from the Houston Chronicle:


Jan. 11, 2008, 1:27PM
Driver's license fight pits feds, 17 states

By DEVLIN BARRETT
Associated Press
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5445792.html


WASHINGTON — Residents of at least 17 states are suddenly stuck in the middle of a fight between the Bush administration and state governments over post-Sept. 11 security rules for driver's licenses — a dispute that, by May, could leave millions of people unable to use their licenses to board planes or enter federal buildings.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who was unveiling final details of the REAL ID Act's rules today, said that if states want their licenses to remain valid for air travel after May 2008, those states must seek a waiver indicating they want more time to comply with the legislation.

So far, 17 states have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to the REAL ID Act's provisions, many due to concerns it will cost them too much to comply. The 17, according to the ACLU, are: Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington state.

But Chertoff, as he revealed final details of the REAL ID Act, said that where a particular state doesn't seek a waiver, its residents will have to use a passport or a newly created federal passport card if they want to avoid a vigorous secondary screening at airport security.

"The last thing I want to do is punish citizens of a state who would love to have a REAL ID license but can't get one," Chertoff said. "But in the end, the rule is the rule as passed by Congress."

Chertoff spoke as he discussed the details of the administration's plan to improve security for driver's licenses in all 50 states — an effort delayed due to opposition from states worried about the cost and civil libertarians upset about what they believe are invasions of privacy.

Under the rules announced Friday, Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years.

The Homeland Security Department has spent years crafting the final regulations for the REAL ID Act, a law designed to make it harder for terrorists, illegal immigrants and con artists to get government-issued identification. The effort once envisioned to take effect in 2008 has been pushed back in the hopes of winning over skeptical state officials.

To address some of those concerns, the government now plans to phase in a secure ID initiative that Congress approved in 2005. Now, DHS plans a key deadline in 2011 — when federal authorities hope all states will be in compliance — and then further measures to be enacted three years later.

To make the plan more appealing to cost-conscious states, federal authorities drastically reduced the expected cost from $14.6 billion to $3.9 billion, a 73 percent decline, said Homeland Security officials familiar with the plan.

The American Civil Liberties Union has fiercely objected to the effort, particularly the sharing of personal data among government agencies. The DHS and other officials say the only way to ensure an ID is safe is to check it against secure government data; critics such as the ACLU say that creates a system that is more likely to be infiltrated and have its personal data pilfered.

In its written objection to the law, the ACLU claims REAL ID amounts to the "first-ever national identity card system," which "would irreparably damage the fabric of American life."

The Sept. 11 attacks were the main motivation for the changes.

The hijacker-pilot who flew into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, had four driver's licenses and ID cards from three states. The DHS, created in response to the attacks, has created a slogan for REAL ID: "One driver, one license."

By 2014, anyone seeking to board an airplane or enter a federal building would have to present a REAL ID-compliant driver's license, with the notable exception of those more than 50 years old, Homeland Security officials said.

The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane.

Among other details of the REAL ID plan:

—The traditional driver's license photograph would be taken at the beginning of the application instead of the end so that if someone is rejected for failure to prove identity and citizenship, the applicant's photo would be kept on file and checked if that person tried to con the system again.

—The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards.

Over the next year, the government expects all states to begin checking both the Social Security numbers and immigration status of license applicants.

Most states already check Social Security numbers and about half check immigration status. Some, like New York, Virginia, North Carolina and California, have already implemented many of the security measures envisioned in REAL ID. In California, for example, officials expect the only major change to adopt the first phase would be to take the photograph at the beginning of the application process instead of the end.

After the Social Security and immigration status checks become nationwide practice, officials plan to move on to more expansive security checks, including state DMV offices checking with the State Department to verify those applicants who use passports to get a driver's license, verifying birth certificates and checking with other states to ensure an applicant doesn't have more than one license.

A few states have already signed written agreements indicating they plan to comply with REAL ID. Seventeen others, though, have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to it, often because of concerns about the cost of the extra security.


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More things to note:

1) In conjunction with the State ID/DL issuances, Law Enforcement Officers and Government Buildings across the U.S. and Embassies around the world will be able to tap into the cards as a legal and valid ID (right now, you may enter Canada and Mexico by land with a valid ID until the passport issue is resolved).

2) The cost factor is 1/4 the originally planned National ID because of the decision to implement it in conjunction with the State issued ID/DL's. There are also built-in provisions to assist low-income and indigent people with obtaining an ID for their safety and protection as well as to present if eligible to vote.

3) How many of you have had to give up a finger or thumb print for obtaining the following:

a. A State DL or ID card.

b. A bank in order to cash or deposit a check.

c. For purposes of gainful employment as they do a background check.

d. For permits for guns and weapons.

e. For other transactions at banks.

f. For security clearances.

The only thing I see us gaining is SECURITY FOR THE U.S.!!!! My days as a deputy sheriff bring about MANY memories for me because not only of the safety factors but because security issues.


4. GOOD LUCK THEN IN DEALING WITH THE GOV'T IF YOUR DL OR ID DOESN'T HAVE THIS DHS ENFORCEMENT ADDITION BECAUSE YOU WILL BE LOSING RIGHTS AS AN AMERICAN OR LEGAL RESIDENT, POSSIBLY INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO VOTE IF THIS DOES BECOME THE REQUIREMENT.

ANYONE WHO CAN BE SO IGNORANT WHEN IT COMES TO KEEPING OUR NATION SAFE, IMO, SHOULD BE UNDERGOING SOME FURTHER EDUCATION IN POLITICAL SCIENCE BEFORE THEY ARE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE.

THE ACLU IS NOT "OUR FRIEND" WHEN IT COMES TO THE SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY.

THERE'S A NEW ORGANIZATION, www.irli.org/ , WHO I FEEL IS BETTER EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THE PROTECTION OF AMERICANS AND THEIR LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Originally Posted by GREGAGREATAMERICAN

its 9:00pm my time ILL be back after the movie
I promised the wife

Thanks for the warning!