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07-13-2007, 02:04 AM #11
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I firmly believe ALL young people, 18 to 26 years of age, should have to give one or two years of their lives in community service to America. Hopefully this would enable them to have greater respect for our freedom and instill patriotism in them."The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**
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07-13-2007, 02:11 AM #12Originally Posted by MW
I was alittle shocked to find this bill because I did not know it was even being considered. I also think the draft should only be used in a real emergancy, when American lives are at risk or someone attacts us.
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07-13-2007, 03:03 AM #13
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My husband was in the Marines and went to Viet Nam twice
Hey, you have something in common with presidential candiate Duncan Hunter. His son served two tours in Iraq with the USMC, and Rep. Hunter served two tours in Vietnam."The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**
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07-13-2007, 03:04 AM #14Originally Posted by MW
This is one area where I agree with them, to a certain degree.
There are people who believe that any sort of compulsory national service that's not required to defend this country-such as in the military scenarios you delineated above-is tantamount to slavery.
Forcing them to be enlisted in the service of the government-saying that they have to forgo a certain part of their future for the sake of the state-would be just as objectionable to them as if you had drafted them into military service.
I don't see how their concerns could be addressed in the same way as conscientous objectors or people who abjure military service because of religious conviction, e.g. The Society of Friends, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc...Reporting without fear or favor-American Rattlesnake
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07-13-2007, 03:36 AM #15
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if you want to end the war reinstate the draft. This war is being fought by the poor, the blue collar and illegal ailens. You would see protest by middle class and up students and parents the likes of which you only tasted in the 60's and 70's.
I would love it for the pure revolutionary spirit. The military industrial complex once again is a giant elephant in the room. If Nancy Pelosi and Dianna Deggette had any ovaries they would stand up to Bush and end this war. But the Princeses of Polianna politics lack the inteligence and expeince. So bring on the Revolution 2.
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www.bighornmusic.com/corporatenation/AMERICAN WORKERS FIRST -- A RAID A DAY KEEPS THE ILLEGALS AWAY
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07-13-2007, 03:43 AM #16Originally Posted by Jrhino
I have a friend from Park Slope whose band does that sort of music, minus the political message.Reporting without fear or favor-American Rattlesnake
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07-13-2007, 03:59 AM #17
Jrhino wrote:
This war is being fought by the poor, the blue collar and illegal ailens
If they're poor, it's only because we don't compensate them adequately for what they do."The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**
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07-13-2007, 04:07 AM #18
I don't know, but you might be inadvertantly to foreign nationals who enlist in the U.S. Armed Forces.
Those people aren't illegal aliens, but they do come from another country.
Most of them aren't poor-at least, I don't think so.
One of my friends from New Zealand has been planning on joining the USMC for a number of years.
There are also a lot from Western Europe, France, the UK, Australia and parts of Asia-The Philippines-and Latin America from what I've heard.
I don't know how extensive the recruiting of foreigners is though.Reporting without fear or favor-American Rattlesnake
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07-13-2007, 04:32 AM #19
Foreign nationals represent less than 3 percent of our military active duty forces. By the way, this small fraction of foreign nationals are not ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Furthermore, I'm sick and tired of hearing people like Sen. Kennedy give the American public the impression that the war is being fought by immigrants. Listening to him would have you believe that 97 percent of our military forces were immigrants. Well, that just isn't so! Actually only 8 percent of the soldiers killed so far are not American citizens. That obviously mean the other 92 percent are our brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, uncles, etc.
People like Kennedy take great pleasure in using the war to push their path to citizenship agenda. Anywhere they can find a situation to use to their advantage, they're going to do it."The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**
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07-13-2007, 04:40 AM #20
Well, I don't think anyone puts much stock in what The Swimmer says about anything, much less immigration or the Armed Forces.
When I said "a lot" I was speaking in relative terms.
I didn't mean to give the impression that there was some Foreign Legion being recruited by the DOD.Reporting without fear or favor-American Rattlesnake
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