Thread: Sen. Glenn McConnell amendment addresses illegal immigration

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October 12, 2007
Illegal Immigration Spurs Constitutional Amendment
Among the millions of Americans frustrated with the refusal by the federal government to forcefully control illegal immigration is South Carolina Senator Glenn McConnell. As President Pro Tempore of the Senate McConnell has explained why he is calling for the nation’s first use of the US Constitution’s Article V provision for a convention of state delegates to propose constitutional amendments. . . . more . . .
http://www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/arc ... 05567.html

Congress won't do it.
But the states can via Article V of the U.S. Constitution.
http://FOAVC.ORG

OK I see how this works, if 33 states petition Congress to call a Constitutional Convention we will have one to discuss the matter being petitioned.

I wonder who will be in charge of the Convention? Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi? She will make sure nothing happens.

Or will the States appoint representatives as happened in the first Constitutional Convention, and these representatives appoint a leader (it was George Washington).

Hey, maybe it can be held where the original Constitutional Convention was help in Philadelphia!

Sounds good to me "Bowman" as long as they do it, it is time to upsurp the power of this congress and president!!!

It's time to take the power ruling over our country out of the hands of the corrupt government of Mexico and that of Vicente Fox and Felipe Calderon and put it back into the hands of the citizens of the United States, where it rightfully belongs.

The power of the American people has been robbed and stolen right out of the hands of the American people by none other than our own president and we the people have had enough.

We're not going to take it anymore!

I will send it also!!

Originally Posted by Bowman

OK I see how this works, if 33 states petition Congress to call a Constitutional Convention we will have one to discuss the matter being petitioned.

I wonder who will be in charge of the Convention? Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi? She will make sure nothing happens.

Or will the States appoint representatives as happened in the first Constitutional Convention, and these representatives appoint a leader (it was George Washington).

Hey, maybe it can be held where the original Constitutional Convention was help in Philadelphia!

Good Questions. Thank you for asking.
We must look to the 14th Amendment for guidance . . .

http://foavc.org/file.php/1/Articles/FAQ.htm#Q7.5
QUESTION: How many delegates to an Article V Convention would each state have?
ANSWER: There is a great deal of discussion on this matter and it is certainly not settled. The main question revolves around how voting will be conducted at the convention. If the convention votes by states, then the number of delegates is not that important as each state would have one vote. If, on the other hand each delegate casts a vote and the states are ignored then the number of delegates is very important.
The problem is that if the convention is operated on the basis of individual delegates as there are not two houses as is the case in Congress (the Constitution does not create two conventions in Article V but calls for a convention to propose amendments meaning a single entity or whole. The word "a" thus creates one convention.) then the numeric numbers of the larger states would threaten to dominate the smaller states as was the main issue before the Founders of the Constitution. Their solution was to allow for one house of Congress (the House of Representatives) to represent the populations of each state thus favoring the large states and a Senate of equal representation for each state favoring the smaller states and requiring that no action by Congress could occur without both houses affirming this action. This is known as the Great Compromise and was the key to the states agreeing on the Constitution.

The issue is no less important for an Article V Convention. Fortunately, there is a solution. Because of the 14th Amendment of equal protection under the law, the Constitution would demand that as in Congress each state would receive the same number of representatives as it currently has in Congress, that is the total number of representatives and senators combined.

Therefore the answer of how many delegates each state would have is that they would have the same number as they now have in total in Congress.

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http://foavc.org/file.php/1/Articles/FAQ.htm#Q7.7
QUESTION: How would the delegates to an Article V Convention vote, as individuals or by states?
ANSWER: Article V of the Constitution and the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause provides the answer to this question. Article V mandates that both houses of Congress (assuming a quorum) require a two-thirds vote of the members present to propose an amendment to the Constitution. The equal protection clause therefore compels that any vote from the convention must be a two-thirds vote of the entire convention (assuming a quorum of its members).
Thus, whether the convention votes by individual delegates or by states in which the delegates vote to create a state vote, the Constitution mandates that two-thirds of those votes must exist in order for an Article V Convention to propose an amendment for ratification by the states. This fact is a little noticed but important obstacle in the way of any runaway convention besides those discussed elsewhere in this FAQ's.

The equal protection clause goes further than a total vote however. In the original design of Congress, the Founders intended that one of the houses would represent population (the House) and the other the states (the Senate). Thus, a two-thirds vote by both population and states is required in order to propose an amendment to the Constitution. This standard, under the equal protection clause, must therefore apply to an Article V Convention and the answer as to how the delegates will vote, by state or individuals, becomes obvious.

The convention will be required to have at least two-thirds of the total number of delegates (assuming a quorum) vote in favor of a proposed amendment as well as voting in such a manner that two-thirds of the states present (assuming a quorum) also favor the amendment proposal. This constitutional double whammy (which is the same obstacle Congress faces each time members wish to propose an amendment) is certain to limit the number of proposed amendments making it out of the convention as well as insuring that there is absolutely no change a "runaway" convention will occur.
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For more F.A.Q., see: http://www.FOAVC.ORG/file.php/1/Articles/FAQ.htm
and http://FOAVC.ORG

The problem with the 14th Amendment is currently representatives are apportioned based on population, not citizens. Which means illegal aliens would be represented in this convention also! So we better have this convention quick before illegal aliens and anchor babies become a majority in 1/3 rd of Congressional districts, in other words before illegal aliens and anchors are 1/6th of the population or 50 million. They are already at 30 million so we need to act NOW or forever lose the USA!!

Originally Posted by Bowman

The problem with the 14th Amendment is currently representatives are apportioned based on population, not citizens. Which means illegal aliens would be represented in this convention also! So we better have this convention quick before illegal aliens and anchor babies become a majority in 1/3 rd of Congressional districts, in other words before illegal aliens and anchors are 1/6th of the population or 50 million. They are already at 30 million so we need to act NOW or forever lose the USA!!

That's a very good point.
Already, mayors, judges, and elected officials are sympathetic to illegal aliens. I think we should have some compassion and possibly provide a path to citizenship for the children brought here (now young adults) when they were young and have spent much of their lives here, but not a blanket amnesty like the amnesty of 1986 which more than quadrupled the problem.
We must first stop illegal employers and secure the border. Many illegal aliens will self-deport. Then we can discuss a path to citizenship for the children brought here (now young adults) when they were young and have spent much of their lives here. That will be a painful process and Do-Nothing Congress caused it by despicably choosing to pit Americans and illegal aliens against each other.

So, the sooner the better.
Likewise with many pressing problems that Do-Nothing Congress refuses to adequately address.
Our own politicians are selling us out almost every chance they get.
Consider these 10 regressive systems, which did not all come about by mere accident.
The point is, illegal immigration is one of several ways a few (consider this) are using and abusing the many, and this 30 year trend is likely to continue as long as too many voters repeatedly reward Congress with 95%-to-99% re-election rates (99.2% and 95.6%) in the last two federal elections.