Thread: The Simple Solution To Illegal Immigration

Perhaps this will be of interest asa,

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-197304.html

Sure were a lot of "simples" in that change of the most important document that has ever existed! NO NEW LAWS AND LEAVE THE CONSTITUTION ALONE!!!!! It is not a "living document...!" And if you truly read it you would understand that no changes are needed...just enforcement.

Oh, BTW the biggest hurdle that AZ is going to have is whether states can legally enforce Federal laws.

It is a State law...not a federal law. And if you read the federal law it dictates to the states to defend and protect themselves. It will pass constitutional muster with flying colors...

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Legislation could be put in place that would provide a path to citizenship for those that have been in this country for more than five years, could pass a rigorous background check, and provide documentation that they have been contributing members of this country for at least five years.

No Pathway to Citizenship for anyone who has come to the US Illegally no matter what conditions are put on it. How could you prove someone has been here five years or five weeks?

Legislation could be put in place that would create an enforceable guest worker program. Personally, I would not be opposed to even the inclusion of a citizenship track for those that work here for periods of five years or more but that's something that could be hammered out.

Guest worker programs are killing us now. The Gov. doesn't keep track of who is coming and going. I'm fed up with giving them easy entry and then them never going back to their own country. No Pathway to Citizenship.[/b]

Originally Posted by roundabout

Great job asa. That was you in the video?

Yes, that was me in the video.

Does the state of Arizona have the right to enforce it's own laws? 1070 does not supersede Federal immigration law, it mirrors it. 1070 was way over due. I support state's rights and look forward to taking back more of those rights that the feds have hijacked and convinced the citizens of this country that they and only they have authority on issues that may be contentious to the mind numbed amongst us.

Is it not time to enforce the laws that are on the books?

The constitution grants to the Federal government the singular right for all things concerning naturalization which includes the regulating of immigration. The constitution is clear that the people and states retain all rights except for those specifically enumerated in the constitution as being granted to the Federal government. Immigration is one of those rights that is specifically called out in the constitution. The reason that was called out in part was because of slavery and the ability to determine who that was brought into the country would be a citizen or not a citizen.

I agree that over the years that has been a matriculation of rights toward the central government and away from the states. That should be reversed and the role of the central government decreased.

asa, we have a thread going. Hope you will check it out.

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-197304.html

For some reason the link is not working. Look in General for Aliens, Naturalization & Congress' powers vs State powers.

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

It is a State law...not a federal law. And if you read the federal law it dictates to the states to defend and protect themselves. It will pass constitutional muster with flying colors...

Afraid not, it is a state law but it can not be a law dealing with immigration per se as I point out in another post as that is the sole province of the central government. If you read SB1070, it merely states that law enforcement can under exacting circumstances request that a person show some form of identification that proves their legal presence in this country. If they then turn out not to be here legally then AZ law enforcement can request the INS folks to come get them.

Originally Posted by asa

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

It is a State law...not a federal law. And if you read the federal law it dictates to the states to defend and protect themselves. It will pass constitutional muster with flying colors...

Afraid not, it is a state law but it can not be a law dealing with immigration per se as I point out in another post as that is the sole province of the central government. If you read SB1070, it merely states that law enforcement can under exacting circumstances request that a person show some form of identification that proves their legal presence in this country. If they then turn out not to be here legally then AZ law enforcement can request the INS folks to come get them.

Sorry you are not making much sense to me and your points of fact are off. Hang in there...

Originally Posted by roundabout

For some reason the link is not working. Look in General for Aliens, Naturalization & Congress' powers vs State powers.

That's for the pointer. I reviewed the entire thread but there's a weakness in the theory. We all talk about how we want the Constitution to be what is is supposed to be the supreme law of the land. However, we rarely take the time to bring one facet of the Constitution into play.

That facet is what does the Constitution say about the judiciary. It states that the power of the Supreme Court extends to all case, in law and equity, that arises under the Constitution, and Laws of the United States, etc.

The point is that the Constitution granted the most power to the Supreme Court. There is no restraint on how they have to rule. Nine people can ultimately determine all of the laws of this country or at least those that come before it as a matter of a legal proceeding.

It doesn't matter what the discussions were in 1790 or at any other time in history about how each element of the Constitution was constructed or what they originally meant them to be because the only thing that truly determines the law is the Supreme Court.

Frightening isn't it but that's the way the Constitution is constructed.

So when you look at things such as how much power does Congress have over things such as immigration you have to look at how the Court has ruled over time making sure that later rulings didn't alter earlier ones. Then even the justices are often split in their opinions of what the laws are to be making a determination of how long can we rely on it being the 'law of the land' unknown.

Currently, the courts have extended the central government's reach signficantly in the area of immigration by establishing that they have a right to determine who and under what conditions a person may enter the country. By granting the right to determine who and under what conditions that in turn allows for the formation of laws to be able to enforce the who and under what conditions.