Thread: Stop Caving on Immigration, 2016 Contenders

Republicans need to be willing (and able) to articulate such policies — among one another, and then to the broader electorate.

Republicans are not only articulating the policies we want amongst ourselves, but howling it to the broader electorate. The problem is not with Republicans. We are 90% UNITED on this issue. The problem is the Whatever You Want To Call Them candidates for President, the "Leaders" of the US Congress and the 10% who for selfish religious and business reasons want more immigration any way they can get it to line their coffers and pockets at the expense of the rest of the country.

The GOP has just declared the House of Representatives irrelevant. All the bluster after the med terms has turned into a joke. They are showing us exactly how they handle things when they come to power. It is certainly looking very good for Rand Paul right now. Wonder how many are shifting to independent voters. I exited the GOP when they ran Mccain for president. I would be expecting to see a lot of that now.

Originally Posted by Cujo47

The GOP has just declared the House of Representatives irrelevant. All the bluster after the med terms has turned into a joke. They are showing us exactly how they handle things when they come to power. It is certainly looking very good for Rand Paul right now. Wonder how many are shifting to independent voters. I exited the GOP when they ran Mccain for president. I would be expecting to see a lot of that now.

Regarding Ron Paul, I would respectfully disagree. He's an amnesty supporter, free trader, and open border guy.

Being an Independent doesn't necessarily make you better on the issue of illegal immigration and border security. If you want proof of that, just take a look at the current Independents in the U.S. Congress. Just saying ........

I have a problem with this article because I have not seen Ted Cruz or Bobby Jindal support amnesty/open borders. Their position on the issue certainly can't be compared to Jeb Bush's. It would be to our benefit if the writer of this article provided something to substantiate such a claim.

Originally Posted by Judy

The problem is the Whatever You Want To Call Them candidates for President, the "Leaders" of the US Congress and the 10% who for selfish religious and business reasons want more immigration any way they can get it to line their coffers and pockets at the expense of the rest of the country.

The first rule of politics is, Follow the money. Nothing works every time, but this is always a good place to start. The church groups who support amnesty are licking their chops over the new money which the next wave of illegals will drop into the collection plates. The Repub leadership's big money donors are licking their chops over the stagnant wages that the next wave of illegals will ensure.

The American lower middle class will get clobbered as the current batch of illegals moves up, and the poorest Americans, many of whom are black, will be condemned to another generation of confusion and anger, as the next wave of illegals undercuts them for entry level jobs.

Yikes.
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Respectfully, we should never concede any type of Amnesty in exchange for Immigration Reforms period as you suggested. I will tell you why. Once Amnesty is given it is pretty much a guarantee that cannot be changed but the reform exchanged for, just like the laws now in place, can be ignored at anytime by any administration. In other words just because an administration is now enforcing a law or reform does not mean that once the exchanged for Amnesty is secured that the Reform or law will not than be ignored once the Amnesty is secured. Your setting yourself up to be shot in the back!
The current and any subsequent administration MUST know that the American People will NOT surrender anything on guaranteed security of our Immigration Laws. That is the responsibility of the Government and we will not except anything else, period. It is a demand that cannot be negotiated for in exchange for looking the other way period to violations of our immigration laws by anybody.

Cruz is Pro Amnesty and Pro Open Borders period. Citizenship has nothing to do with Amnesty, it is only an added Incentive that Illegal Aliens have not stolen so thus you can't be given Amnesty by not being given the fruits of a crime you never committed, i.e. Citizenship.
Citizenship is just something slick Lawyers like Cruz use to cloud the issue. Here is Cruz's position Legal Status Yes and work Permits Yes which is Amnesty Period, both things Illegals stole. Add to that MASSIVE increases in Legal Immigration equals insanity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpWD0xtN3r4

There is an important candidate you forgot, Rick Santorum he has the best position and understanding for decades of any candidate on the Immigration issue Period. See the article http://www.bloombergview.com/article...ion-non-debate

Santorum on Illegal Immigration: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...3381AB50E23E7E

Go to 18 min in this link and listen to Santorum on legal Immigration: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...DB148C885F6F71

Originally Posted by United States First

There is an important candidate you forgot, Rick Santorum he has the best position and understanding for decades of any candidate on the Immigration issue Period. See the article http://www.bloombergview.com/article...ion-non-debate

Santorum on Illegal Immigration: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...3381AB50E23E7E

Go to 18 min in this link and listen to Santorum on legal Immigration: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...DB148C885F6F71

I agree with you on Santorum. I have used his name before when describing possible candidates. The only reason I didn't use it this time is because I was just responding to the names listed in the article.

Originally Posted by United States First

Citizenship is just something slick Lawyers like Cruz use to cloud the issue. Here is Cruz's position Legal Status Yes and work Permits Yes which is Amnesty Period, both things Illegals stole. Add to that MASSIVE increases in Legal Immigration equals insanity.

In his, "The Audacity of Hope," then-Senator Barack Obama wrote, “The number of immigrants added to the labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a century,” Obama noted. “If this huge influx of mostly low-skill workers provides some benefits to the economy as a whole.... it also threatens to depress further the wages of blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net.”

Which makes 'Bama's executive amnesty even more disgusting.
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American jobs for American workers

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