Thread: Stop Caving on Immigration, 2016 Contenders

Originally Posted by Judy

The problem is the Whatever You Want To Call Them candidates for President, the "Leaders" of the US Congress and the 10% who for selfish religious and business reasons want more immigration any way they can get it to line their coffers and pockets at the expense of the rest of the country.

The first rule of politics is, Follow the money. Nothing works every time, but this is always a good place to start. The church groups who support amnesty are licking their chops over the new money which the next wave of illegals will drop into the collection plates. The Repub leadership's big money donors are licking their chops over the stagnant wages that the next wave of illegals will ensure.

The American lower middle class will get clobbered as the current batch of illegals moves up, and the poorest Americans, many of whom are black, will be condemned to another generation of confusion and anger, as the next wave of illegals undercuts them for entry level jobs.

Yikes.
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Respectfully, we should never concede any type of Amnesty in exchange for Immigration Reforms period as you suggested. I will tell you why. Once Amnesty is given it is pretty much a guarantee that cannot be changed but the reform exchanged for, just like the laws now in place, can be ignored at anytime by any administration. In other words just because an administration is now enforcing a law or reform does not mean that once the exchanged for Amnesty is secured that the Reform or law will not than be ignored once the Amnesty is secured. Your setting yourself up to be shot in the back!
The current and any subsequent administration MUST know that the American People will NOT surrender anything on guaranteed security of our Immigration Laws. That is the responsibility of the Government and we will not except anything else, period. It is a demand that cannot be negotiated for in exchange for looking the other way period to violations of our immigration laws by anybody.

Cruz is Pro Amnesty and Pro Open Borders period. Citizenship has nothing to do with Amnesty, it is only an added Incentive that Illegal Aliens have not stolen so thus you can't be given Amnesty by not being given the fruits of a crime you never committed, i.e. Citizenship.
Citizenship is just something slick Lawyers like Cruz use to cloud the issue. Here is Cruz's position Legal Status Yes and work Permits Yes which is Amnesty Period, both things Illegals stole. Add to that MASSIVE increases in Legal Immigration equals insanity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpWD0xtN3r4

There is an important candidate you forgot, Rick Santorum he has the best position and understanding for decades of any candidate on the Immigration issue Period. See the article http://www.bloombergview.com/article...ion-non-debate

Santorum on Illegal Immigration: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...3381AB50E23E7E

Go to 18 min in this link and listen to Santorum on legal Immigration: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...DB148C885F6F71

Originally Posted by United States First

There is an important candidate you forgot, Rick Santorum he has the best position and understanding for decades of any candidate on the Immigration issue Period. See the article http://www.bloombergview.com/article...ion-non-debate

Santorum on Illegal Immigration: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...3381AB50E23E7E

Go to 18 min in this link and listen to Santorum on legal Immigration: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...DB148C885F6F71

I agree with you on Santorum. I have used his name before when describing possible candidates. The only reason I didn't use it this time is because I was just responding to the names listed in the article.

Originally Posted by United States First

Citizenship is just something slick Lawyers like Cruz use to cloud the issue. Here is Cruz's position Legal Status Yes and work Permits Yes which is Amnesty Period, both things Illegals stole. Add to that MASSIVE increases in Legal Immigration equals insanity.

In his, "The Audacity of Hope," then-Senator Barack Obama wrote, “The number of immigrants added to the labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a century,” Obama noted. “If this huge influx of mostly low-skill workers provides some benefits to the economy as a whole.... it also threatens to depress further the wages of blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net.”

Which makes 'Bama's executive amnesty even more disgusting.
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Americans first in this magnificent country

American jobs for American workers

Fair trade, not free trade

Originally Posted by United States First

Cruz is Pro Amnesty and Pro Open Borders period. Citizenship has nothing to do with Amnesty, it is only an added Incentive that Illegal Aliens have not stolen so thus you can't be given Amnesty by not being given the fruits of a crime you never committed, i.e. Citizenship.
Citizenship is just something slick Lawyers like Cruz use to cloud the issue. Here is Cruz's position Legal Status Yes and work Permits Yes which is Amnesty Period, both things Illegals stole. Add to that MASSIVE increases in Legal Immigration equals insanity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpWD0xtN3r4

Wow, thank for bring this video to my attention. Looks like Cruz is all for bringing in tons of workers to take American jobs! He's talking about increasing H-1B visa workers X 5 and doubling legal immigration. Well, the video you showed me removes him from an extremely small list of viable candidates.

So what do we have now, Santorum and Jindal? That certainly isn't a much of a list. We needs some new blood to step up ... and soon! I like Santorum a lot, I just have concerns with his campaign gaining traction. I like Jindal less than Santorum, but I don't see his campaign gaining much traction either.

We need a Sen. Sessions or former Sen. DeMint desparately! Does anyone remember the former congressman Duncan Hunter (R-CA)? I loved that guy and certainly wouldn't mind seeing him give it another shot.

We do not have a candidate for 2016, yet. We will though, but not from the list of folks tossing their names in the hat at this time. I predict it will be a dark horse, from out of the blue, that will shock and awe with common sense, intelligence and an unwavering loyalty to the American People. They will want to stop illegal immigration, deport illegal aliens, reduce or stop legal immigration until this is all sorted out, helps states and local law enforcement use their existing resources to enforce US immigration law, deny all public benefits that can be denied to illegal aliens, visa holders and green cards (until after they've been here working for at least 6 years), stops all drivers licenses and ID cards for illegal aliens, and halts/reduces private transactions with illegal aliens that enable them to conduct business and reside here. There are other issues that are important as well, such as the FairTax which I would like to see passed, too, and if not before 2016, then hopefully a FairTax President could help push this one forward. But the number one issue is stopping illegal immigration and curtailing this massive excessive legal immigration.

Originally Posted by Judy

We do not have a candidate for 2016, yet. We will though, but not from the list of folks tossing their names in the hat at this time. I predict it will be a dark horse, from out of the blue, that will shock and awe with common sense, intelligence and an unwavering loyalty to the American People. They will want to stop illegal immigration, deport illegal aliens, reduce or stop legal immigration until this is all sorted out, helps states and local law enforcement use their existing resources to enforce US immigration law, deny all public benefits that can be denied to illegal aliens, visa holders and green cards (until after they've been here working for at least 6 years), stops all drivers licenses and ID cards for illegal aliens, and halts/reduces private transactions with illegal aliens that enable them to conduct business and reside here. There are other issues that are important as well, such as the FairTax which I would like to see passed, too, and if not before 2016, then hopefully a FairTax President could help push this one forward. But the number one issue is stopping illegal immigration and curtailing this massive excessive legal immigration.

Regardless of who the President of the U.S. is, the fair tax issue is DOA (thank goodness).

I hope someone new does come forward. However, that isn't necessarily something we can hang our hat on. There is plenty of time left, so I'm not going to start losing sleep over it just yet. What do you have against Rick Santorum?

Originally Posted by MW

Regardless of who the President of the U.S. is, the fair tax issue is DOA (thank goodness).

I hope someone new does come forward. However, that isn't necessarily something we can hang our hat on. There is plenty of time left, so I'm not going to start losing sleep over it just yet. What do you have against Rick Santorum?

Santorum wants to get rid of the income tax and repeal the 16th Amendment, so I like that. Maybe Santorum will become one of the FairTax Presidential candidates in 2016 like Ted Cruz, who was a co-sponsor of the FairTax in the US Senate last year, he hasn't signed up yet for this session. If they would both pull back on their expansion of legal immigration and face the fact that we already have too many immigrants and aliens in the United States, then these 2 will have a lot of appeal to a lot of mainstream Republicans who want to stop illegal immigration and pass the FairTax. And with all that's coming out now about how many legal immigrants have been entering the US causing Americans to be fired and replaced with them, maybe they will both wake up and change their position on expanded fast-tracked legal immigration. If they want to run for President, they'll have to because the cats out of the bag on both illegal and excess legal immigration.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/2...id-of-the-irs/

Rick Santorum became the latest Republican to call for the repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment in light of the ongoing IRS controversy. “We have to get rid of this income tax — that is the source of the problem — and do something to replace it,” the former Pennsylvania senator said on Fox News over the weekend.

Santorum called the agency “hopeless” and “inherently corrupt” and warned that its role in Obamacare’s implementation will make matters even worse. “It’s hopeless because we’ve given enormous power to the government over every single person in America,” he said.