Thread: Ted Cruz: ‘We’re Going To Build A Wall’

Understood, the point I am trying to make is this: These people have been able to work for cash, rent homes, etc....and stay out of trouble, not all but many. Cruz is not seeking them out, but waiting until they do something and are apprehended for it. At that point, he will then deport ascertaining upon arrest that they are actually here illegally or undocumented. You can literally have millions of illegal immigrants stay here for many years if they do nothing to be apprehended for, that is my point. I know it is not amnesty as we know it, but would you agree that if millions of them (stay under the radar) do not get apprehended indefinitely, then they could stay indefinitely under his plan?

Originally Posted by joe s

Understood, the point I am trying to make is this: These people have been able to work for cash, rent homes, etc....and stay out of trouble, not all but many. Cruz is not seeking them out, but waiting until they do something and are apprehended for it. At that point, he will then deport ascertaining upon arrest that they are actually here illegally or undocumented. You can literally have millions of illegal immigrants stay here for many years if they do nothing to be apprehended for, that is my point. I know it is not amnesty as we know it, but would you agree that if millions of them (stay under the radar) do not get apprehended indefinitely, then they could stay indefinitely under his plan?

I'm a firm believer in attrition through enforcement. It's logical and it will work. The point is to make their life here so miserable that they will feel like they have no option but to go home. A large majority will not want to live in fear everyday of their life. Can you imagine how scary it must be to think you could be picked up and deported at any time for any reason? Of course that fear does not exist under Obama. We must have a strong entry-exit visa system like Cruz is calling for because 40% of our illegals are visa overstays. We must know who the overstays are so we can track and apprehend them for deportation. Combine that with a nationally mandated E-Verify system like Cruz is calling for (and we don't have) with tough enforcement of all our immigration laws and the illegal life will cease to be viable option of survival. Remember, Cruz is also calling for an end to all sanctuary cities and an end to all illegal immigrant benefits.

Turning into a police state for apprehension is just not sustainable because of our laws, court system, privacy issues, etc., etc. Such an event would draw the media like a fly to honey and could turn the public's perception on the issue. Our illegal alien problem didn't happen overnight and it's not going to be solved overnight.

Thank you once again for the thorough response.

Now, as for Trumps plan, and I am just interested in the facts, his plan is impressive as well. I have been unable to match his words about deporting "all" illegal immigrants against his plan laid out on his website. Is that to come in the future, am I missing it, has he even back-pedaled on that by omitting it on his website, what am I missing here? While I am sure it is a herculean task, he has made it clear that he will do just that.

To me, it looks like Cruz is wanting them to self-deport. Romney got slammed for saying that, so Cruz is stopping short of using the same language. I live in California in a small town right between Modesto and Stockton. Two of the biggest arm-pits in the U.S. I follow the police dept. on Facebook for both cities and 99% of murders and violent crime is from Hispanics, illegals and anchor babies. Stockton just had a gang of kids attack and rob an adult man. It seems when the police go after a lot of these criminals they flee to Mexico, only to return later. I wish someone would do an honest report on true statistics of anchor baby crime. They need to cut off the revolving door to Mexico and they need to revisit with true facts the benefit of our supporting anchor babies. This is not helping immigrant kids, it is instead enabling and creating a class of criminals that have no respect for the law or we the people.