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    Ted Cruz 'birther' row focusing on Cruz's MOTHER

    Ted Cruz 'birther' row may go to court as Democrat gets ready for case focusing on Cruz's MOTHER (and his wife weighs in)



    • Cruz was born in Canada, but mother Eleanor was a US citizen
    • Senator had dual US-Canada citizenship for years but renounced his Canadian citizenship after his 2012 Senate election

    • Cruz has come under fire by Donald Trump for possibly being ineligible to run for the White House

    • Florida congressman preparing lawsuit to challenge Cruz's eligibility for the presidency if he wins the GOP nomination
    • Cruz campaign dismisses controversy - but has examined Eleanor Cruz's birth certificate
    • Cruz's wife Heidi blames attacks on candidate's success


    By J. TAYLOR RUSHING, U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER, FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
    PUBLISHED: 12:52 EST, 8 January 2016 | UPDATED: 19:10 EST, 8 January 2016
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    Republican presidential runner-up Ted Cruz's eligibility in the 2016 nomination race is continuing to split open on the campaign trail.
    Cruz, a first-term Texas senator, is not only taking fire from prominent Republicans such as front-runner Donald Trump and 2008 GOP nominee John McCain over his claims of U.S. citizenship - but he now faces a potential lawsuit by a Democratic congressman.

    Florida Rep. Alan Grayson, an attorney, said this week he will sue to challenge Cruz's eligibility for the presidency if the senator somehow overtakes Trump and wins the GOP presidential nomination.

    Cruz is currently in second place in national polls on the GOP primary, according to an average compiled by Real Clear Politics - but he is leading by a modest margin in Iowa, where the first contest of the season comes with caucuses on Feb. 1.

    Cruz was born in Canada in 1970 to a mother who was a U.S. citizen - giving him 'natural born' citizenship under the U.S. Constitution - although there is little legal precedent for that theory being tested on a presidential nominee.

    But Grayson says Eleanor Cruz may have forfeited her U.S. citizenship by taking a Canadian oath of citizenship - as specified in Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. He went on to say that there is no documented evidence that she was in fact born in the United States.

    Ted Cruz's citizenship became an issue in recent days because of Trump, who is mindful of Cruz's polling lead in Iowa and this week suggested the Texas senator seek a declaratory judgment in court.

    In an interview on Tuesday with The Washington Post, Trump said the question of Cruz's citizenship puts the GOP in a 'very precarious' position.

    'He’d be running and the courts may take a long time to make decision. You don’t want to be running and have that kind of thing over your head, Trump said.

    'I’d hate to see something like that get in his way. But a lot of people are talking about it, and I know that even some states are looking at it very strongly, the fact that he was born in Canada and he has had a double passport.'

    Cruz indeed had dual citizenship in both the U.S. and Canada for decades, but renounced his Canadian citizenship after he was elected to the Senate in 2012.

    Trump is something of an expert in raising so-called 'birther' claims, having needled President Obama about his own U.S. citizenship for years before Obama finally released his Hawaii birth certificate a few years ago.

    On Wednesday, none other than MCain added fuel to the fire over Cruz.

    The Arizona senator and 2008 GOP presidential nominee, said he cannot verify Cruz's citizenship but said it was a fair issue to raise. McCain himself was born on a U.S. military base at the Panama Canal.

    'Yeah, it was a U.S. military base,' McCain said of his birth. 'That’s different from being born on foreign soil, so I think there is a question. I am not a constitutional scholar on that, but I think it’s worth looking into. I don’t think it’s illegitimate to look into it.'

    Also Wednesday, in an interview with CNN, Trump suggested Cruz should get the question resolved.

    'You go to federal court, you ask for a declaratory judgment. Once the court rules, you have your decision,' Trump said. 'That will clear it all up.'

    For his part, Cruz has said he never had a Canadian passport.

    'The media, with all due respect, love to engage in silly sideshows. We need to focus on what matters,' he told CNN.

    Cruz spokesman Rick Tyler told U.S. News and World Report Wednesday that a potential lawsuit by Grayson is 'patent nonsense,' and added that he has examined Eleanor Cruz's U.S. birth certificate and maintained that she never became a Canadian citizen.

    'Eleanor Cruz, like Ted Cruz, has never breathed a single breath of her life not being a U.S. citizen,' Tyler told the magazine, adding that Grayson would not even have legal standing to bring a lawsuit against Cruz.

    On Thursday, Cruz's own wife jumped into the fray, saying in an interview on The Boston Herald Radio's 'Morning Meeting' show, 'I fully expect that this will fade, as Ted is indisputably a U.S. citizen.'

    'The definition of natural-born citizen is not in dispute and Ted definitely fits that description,' Heidi Cruz said.

    'I think this is an example of Ted winning this race and people looking for things to be a distraction,' she said. 'We’re really not worried about something that is not in dispute in a legal sense.'

    Cruz also pointed out that George Romney, a 1968 GOP presidential candidate and the father of 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney, was born in Mexico to a U.S.-born mother.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3390647/Ted-Cruz-birther-row-court-Democrat-gets-ready-case-focusing-Cruz-s-MOTHER-wife-weighs-in.html#ixzz3wmSffJ8k

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    Cruz also pointed out that George Romney, a 1968 GOP presidential candidate and the father of 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney, was born in Mexico to a U.S.-born mother.
    Both of George Romney's parents were American citizens and he left the race before the matter of the dispute over his eligibility could be resolved.

    On Thursday, Cruz's own wife jumped into the fray, saying in an interview on The Boston Herald Radio's 'Morning Meeting' show, 'I fully expect that this will fade, as Ted is indisputably a U.S. citizen.'
    The standard is not a "U. S. citizen", that is the standard to be in the Congress, the requirement for President and Vice President is a "natural born citizen" which is born in the US to 2 US citizen parents.

    Americans have known what a natural born citizen is for well over 200 years.
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    Point A:
    the requirement for President and Vice President is a "natural born citizen" which is born in the US to 2 US citizen parents.
    O was not eligible to be President of the USA & should have been challenged. Heard at the time, Bill Clinton was told to shut his muff or Chelsea would be harmed. Can't prove that but do remember him mentioning some sort of non requirement but stopped protesting suddenly. Therefore, the slippery slope of the presidency of O & its fruition....enough said. Let us not repeat that.

    Aside from that fact, at least prove
    Point B: what year Eleanor denounced her American citizenship to take an oath for Canadian citizenship? That proof has not been forthcoming.

    The Cruz campaign should answer that simple question. She moved there in '67, Ted born '70, she was listed as an eligible Canadian voter on the '74 election list.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...a-voters-list/

    Show us all the papers on that point even though 'Point A" is "missing" and non-adjustable...

    Snakes slither thru the grass....

    Ted Cruz is a viable & appreciated Senator - case closed unless there are more proofs in the pudding forthcoming.
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    I'm very disappointed that Trump is the biggest whiner on this. The only reason he is doing it is because he's feeling the heat from Cruz in Iowa. It's not like he (Trump) is jumping on the bandwagon on this, he's being the main agitator. If you ask me, this is not a good show of character for Trump. It was just this past September that Trump was saying Cruz was eligible to run for President. What's changed since then other than Cruz's gain in the polls? Well, that would be absolutely nothing.

    Here's the video of Trump saying Cruz was eligible to run back in September:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr7YtcKWqIE

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    Judy wrote:

    The standard is not a "U. S. citizen", that is the standard to be in the Congress, the requirement for President and Vice President is a "natural born citizen" which is born in the US to 2 US citizen parents.
    No, it's not.

    There are three conditions for meeting the requirement of being considered a natural born citizen. A person only has to meet one of the three.

    Excerpt:

    The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born“in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such a term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S.citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen.
    http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

    Ted Cruz is obviously qualified by meeting the third condition which I highlighted in bold above.

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    If his mother gave up her U.S. citizenship to become a Canadian citizen before he was born he had NO U.S. citizen parents at birth.


    "Eleanor Cruz may have forfeited her U.S. citizenship by taking a Canadian oath of citizenship - as specified in Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act."
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    Ted Cruz Mom Appears on 1974 Canadian Voter List

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    By Cathy Burke |
    Friday, 08 Jan 2016 09:18 PM


    The name of Sen. Ted Cruz's U.S.-born mother reportedly appeared on a Canadian government document listing her as a citizen eligible to vote in the 1974 federal election there.

    Talking Points Memo reports it received the Canadian document in 2013 but didn't publish it because the GOP presidential contender – who now faces eligibility questions of his own from rivals Donald Trump and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul – wasn't yet a candidate.

    Breitbart News posted a story Friday as well, along with a lengthy response from the Cruz campaign asserting there was no question of Eleanor Cruz's American citizenship.


    According to Jason Johnson, Cruz's chief campaign strategist, the Republican presidential candidate's mom "was never a citizen of Canada," and couldn't have been one when her son was born because of residency requirements, Breitbart reports.

    Eleanor Cruz was born in Delaware, while her ex-husband, Rafael Cruz, was born in Cuba, obtained Canadian citizenship while living in Calgary and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in the mid-2000s, Johnson explained.

    TPM reports the document in question is a voter list of individuals who lived in the southern district of the city of Calgary, were over the age of 18 and were Canadian citizens, thus eligible to vote.

    "The document itself does not purport to be a list of 'registered Canadian voters'," the campaign statement said. "All this might conceivably establish is that this list of individuals (maybe) lived at the given addresses. It says nothing about who was a citizen eligible to vote."

    TPM notes there's no other evidence Eleanor Cruz ever became a Canadian citizen, and that she and her son have consistently denied she was one.

    And, TPM reports, even if were proven that Eleanor Cruz had become a Canadian citizen, she might well have remained a U.S. citizen too, maintaining a dual citizenship.

    Ted Cruz, who was a dual citizen, formally renounced his Canadian citizenship in 2014.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    Judy wrote:



    No, it's not.

    There are three conditions for meeting the requirement of being considered a natural born citizen. A person only has to meet one of the three.

    Excerpt:



    http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

    Ted Cruz is obviously qualified by meeting the third condition which I highlighted in bold above.
    Under Article II of the US Constitution, in 1789 - present, to be eligible for President of the United States as a natural born citizen, one has to be born in the US to 2 US citizen parents. What you are describing in your "fas.org" is birthright citizenship granted by either naturalization law or the 14th Amendment. If Ted Cruz mother was a US citizen when he was born in Canada, he's a citizen of the US, not a natural born citizen because he wasn't born in the US and his father is an alien at the time of his birth.

    Rubio isn't eligible either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    I'm very disappointed that Trump is the biggest whiner on this. The only reason he is doing it is because he's feeling the heat from Cruz in Iowa. It's not like he (Trump) is jumping on the bandwagon on this, he's being the main agitator. If you ask me, this is not a good show of character for Trump. It was just this past September that Trump was saying Cruz was eligible to run for President. What's changed since then other than Cruz's gain in the polls? Well, that would be absolutely nothing.

    Here's the video of Trump saying Cruz was eligible to run back in September:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr7YtcKWqIE
    Trump isn't saying he's eligible, he's saying he's been told he is, presumably by Ted.

    Why do you want people who aren't eligible to be President and Vice President to run for the Office?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    If his mother gave up her U.S. citizenship to become a Canadian citizen before he was born he had NO U.S. citizen parents at birth.


    "Eleanor Cruz may have forfeited her U.S. citizenship by taking a Canadian oath of citizenship - as specified in Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act."
    Where are you getting your facts from? I've seen absolutely no proof that Cruz's mother gave up her U.S. citizenship, have you? As for being on a voting list ...... what does that really mean, even if it is true? Heck, we've got illegal aliens that appear on voting list here in the United States all the time. Your own state of California is actually registering illegals to vote, isn't it? People are just slinging a lot of mud now in the hopes that some of it will stick. If I was you, I wouldn't bet my farm that Cruz's mother forfeited her U.S. citizenship. Exactly why would she do that, especially since she wasn't even a Canadian citizen. Let's see the proof that she wasn't a U.S. citizen when she gave birth to Ted Cruz and I'll shut up. Until then, it's probably not wise to join the mud slinging club unless you have proof to back up the accusation. Just saying .......

    Oh, and from what I understand, Cruz, has already produced his mothers birth certificate showing she was born in Delaware. Have you heard different? Just curious to know if you're privy to some information I'm not.
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