Thread: Tillerson argued with a second White House aide

Tillerson alone raised the refugee numbers without regards to the court order.

That statement in the article is false. It's bad reporting, and completely untrue. Tillerson did not willy nilly raise the refugee numbers following the court order, according to the LA Times, the numbers were raised the day after the court order and the court order is the reason he raised the numbers. Even though he raised the numbers, he put the whole process on a slow code to drag out the time period to approve refugees to slow down the numbers until the court order could be lifted. That statement is fake news to mislead the public.

Same with the safe zones. Trump nor Tillerson ever said we would be setting up safe zones ourselves. Trump always said he would set up safe zones by having other countries doing it and paying for it, not the US. He wanted the Gulf States to do it and pay for it and in one of his first conversations with the of King of Saudi Arabia, Saudi agreed to do this as soon a safe area could be found in Syria to do it in. I think some have already been set up or are in progress, because Russia is going to provide security forces to police them in a couple of weeks.

The reporting on this Presidency is so bad it's become lewd at this point.

Yes, the US is using force and assisting others in the area of Iraq and Syria to destroy ISIS. Trump promised he would destroy ISIS, and he's well on his way to achieving that. I posted some articles on other threads about the progress being made both in Iraq and Syria. ISIS is on the run, they're being surrounded and will be destroyed very shortly.

Originally Posted by Judy

LOL!! Well, MW, you're free to your own sources, but the public record is the best we have and those are:

1. refugee numbers increased because of a court order in Hawaii, one that a lot of people and journalists were unaware of because there were so many lawsuits filed in different federal courts over the travel ban.

2. refugee numbers were curtailed after the announcement to comply with the court order by slowing down the process of approving them.

3. the court order has been removed by the US Supreme Court, the last count by your sources is 49,255, well under the 50,000 cap of the President's Executive Order, and I would expect refugee processing to cease when it hits 50,000 and hold there until the next fiscal year when a new number is established.

5. Trump, Kelly and Sessions have revoked all deferred action under the 2014 Memorandum that expanded DACA, added DAPA, added LPR's, and expanded renewals from 2 years to 3 years.

6. The DACA 2012 that was not part of the Texas lawsuit to challenge the 2014 Memorandum ended up being protected in an injunction ruling in that lawsuit with a court order that it remain in effect until the lawsuit was dismissed or resolved, a fact that again many people and journalists aren't or weren't aware of because they didn't read Hanen's Ruling.

7. The lawsuit has not been dismissed or resolved.

8. The DACA 2012 program was extended for 3 years by the DACA 2014 Memorandum which has now been revoked. In February, Sean Spicer stated in response to a reporters question about DACA that the "thinking is to let it expire in June".

9. Item 8 has been complicated by 6 and 7.

If you want to take that personally as some type of lie or betrayal, then that is your freedom to do, but to me that is not a lie or a betrayal, that is ending the entire program in a simple, sensible manner as soon as a damn court will let you do it.

I hope you realize you're blind support of Trump is causing damage to your own credibility (IMO). Grasping at straws has not proven to be productive for you. Just like the concrete guarantee of yours that the original DACA was going to expire (end) on June 15th. That didn't happen, just as the number of refugees coming to this country won't be halted at 50,000.

Trump betrayed us on DACA and everyone except you knows it! His promise to end the original DACA was clear and concise during his campaign to win our votes!

I didn't vote for Trump to end DACA. I voted for Trump to end illegal immigration, secure our borders, deport illegal aliens, fix our bad trade deals, put Americans back to work, cut taxes and bring our industries and good jobs back home, repeal Obamacare so our businesses can expand and create jobs, repeal McCarran-Ferguson (erase the lines) to increase competition in insurance industry on a multi-state and national basis, raise wages and hours by bringing back our good jobs, reduce legal immigration, upgrade our military and infrastructure, deregulate, cut government spending where we have nothing to show for it, develop our energy resources A to Z, all of the above, and establish a new improved relationship with Russia that benefits both of our countries and allies.

Trump never said a single word about ending the original DACA program. I'm not sure he even knew about it. He only talked about ending the two unconstitutional orders that had been stopped by a Judge, that's the DACA Expansion and DAPA of 2014, not the original DACA 2012.

But, you're free to say and think whatever you want. The original DACA program of 2012 expired on June 15 by its terms, it is continuing due to a court order that keeps it in effect until the Texas lawsuit is dismissed. Kelly's statement on June 15 when they revoked the other two programs of 2014 was that the DACA 2012 was still under review, that's because the court case that was supposed to be dismissed on June 15 was extended for two weeks for the parties to "review". Paxton hasn't dismissed the lawsuit, instead he's formed a coalition to bring the DACA 2012 into the lawsuit through an amendment of the pleading to I think make sure that when the lawsuit is dismissed there is a simultaneous dismissal of the lawsuit and the declared expiration of DACA 2012.

If you want to believe that Trump is going to let in more refugees than his own Executive Order allows, have at it.

If you want to believe that Trump, Sessions and Kelly are going to continue DACA 2012, have at it.

But I don't think Trump is going to violate his own Executive Order on refugee admissions or allow DACA 2012 to continue beyond it's expiration date unless he's required by a court order to continue it.

Judy wrote:

Trump never said a single word about ending the original DACA program. I'm not sure he even knew about it. He only talked about ending the two unconstitutional orders that had been stopped by a Judge, that's the DACA Expansion and DAPA of 2014, not the original DACA 2012.

You have said that on repeated occasions and you are as wrong now as you were the first time you said it. Trump did promise to end Obama's 2012 DACA immediately after his elections. This information has been publicized by ALIPAC, NumbersUSA, and a host of other immigration groups. Why is it that you're the only one that didn't hear it? Are you calling everyone that did hear it liars?

The original DACA program of 2012 expired on June 15 by its terms, it is continuing due to a court order that keeps it in effect until the Texas lawsuit is dismissed. Kelly's statement on June 15 when they revoked the other two programs of 2014 was that the DACA 2012 was still under review, that's because the court case that was supposed to be dismissed on June 15 was extended for two weeks for the parties to "review". Paxton hasn't dismissed the lawsuit, instead he's formed a coalition to bring the DACA 2012 into the lawsuit through an amendment of the pleading to I think make sure that when the lawsuit is dismissed there is a simultaneous dismissal of the lawsuit and the declared expiration of DACA 2012.

DACA did not expire on June 15th and it never was going to. You based your assumption on one single rambling comment made by Sean Spicer during a news briefing. You rode that one comment all the way to June 15th and nothing happened on the original DACA. Trump does not want to end the program. His "big heart" won't allow him to do it. The court order did not require the administration to continue accepting DACA applications or process renewals, nor did it stop Trump from ending the program. Now the 10-state coalition has Trump over a barrel. He created this mess all on his own and it will be interesting to see how he handles it, especially since his DOJ, Sessions, and him are at odds over the program.

President Trump now has, and has always had, the power to end the original DACA. There is no court order in effect that changed that fact! If you were correct in your assessment that it did, we would have heard it from someone other than you. Heck, big news like that would have been publicized repeatedly. 2 + 2 does not equal 6.

I posted the link to Hanen's Ruling. It's been reported by several entities. That's how I learned about it.

You are free to think what you want, post what you want, attack what you want, and frankly cause whatever amount of damage you want with it. And it looks like your damage barrel is getting pretty full.

Originally Posted by Judy

I posted the link to Hanen's Ruling. It's been reported by several entities. That's how I learned about it.

You are free to think what you want, post what you want, attack what you want, and frankly cause whatever amount of damage you want with it. And it looks like your damage barrel is getting pretty full.

Unfortunately, the truth can be a harmful thing when it disrupts a perceived scenario.

Damage is damage, but you seem to like it, so have at it.

Trump never said a single word about ending the original DACA program. I'm not sure he even knew about it. He only talked about ending the two unconstitutional orders that had been stopped by a Judge, that's the DACA Expansion and DAPA of 2014, not the original DACA 2012.

Judy,

You have been here a long time, and you contribute a lot to our forums, but this has to stop.

You know full well that Donald Trump promised to end DACA and if you don't believe that is accurate, then you have a problem with me and the ALIPAC organization as a whole.

Your assertion that Trump can end illegal immigration without ending DACA is full of holes because he cant restore Constitutional governance in America when he is violating the Constitution and existing immigration laws to forward DACA Amnesty for illegals!

Furthermore, the entire purpose of DACA and Dream Act Amnesty from the perspective of both our anti-illegal immigration movement and the pro open borders movement is to use Dream Act Amnesty recipients to eventually achieve full Amnesty for most illegals and thus achieve permanent open borders and socialist control in America.

You came on here trying to convince everyone that Trump would end DACA Amnesty by letting it expire in June Judy and you were WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Now you are claiming that Trump never promised to end DACA? You are again WRONG WRONG WRONG.

I'm afraid that with your frequency of posting here at ALIPAC Judy you are now casting a very inaccurate picture of Trump's promises and positions and therefore casting an inaccurate image of our organization and what we stand for here at ALIPAC.

Your cheerleading for Trump has led you to make numerous false statements to those reading, and this must end today.

The next time I read or someone informs me of, you making any inaccurate and unsubstantiated claims on our forums that are contrary to the reality involving Donald Trump or the positions of the ALIPAC organization I'm going to put your account into a Time Out box for at least two weeks.

I'm making this comment in the open to you Judy because your claims that DACA would expire in June and that Trump never promised to end DACA are completely false and harmful to our efforts to accurately inform readers here at ALIPAC.us

William

Secretary Johnson Announces Process for DACA Renewal

USCIS to Publish New Form to Allow Individuals to Renew Their Deferred Action
Release Date: June 5, 2014

WASHINGTON—Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson today announced the process for individuals to renew enrollment in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has submitted to the Federal Register an updated form to allow individuals previously enrolled in DACA, to renew their deferral for a period of two years. At the direction of the Secretary, effective immediately, USCIS will begin accepting renewal requests. USCIS will also continue to accept requests for DACA from individuals who have not previously sought to access the program. As of April 2014, more than 560,000 individuals have received DACA.

“Despite the acrimony and partisanship that now exists in Washington, almost all of us agree that a child who crossed our border illegally with a parent, or in search of a parent or a better life, was not making an adult choice to break our laws, and should be treated differently than adult law-breakers,” said Secretary Johnson. “By the renewal of DACA, we act in accord with our values and the code of this great Nation. But, the larger task of comprehensive immigration reform still lies ahead.”

The first DACA approvals will begin to expire in September 2014. To avoid a lapse in the period of deferral and employment authorization, individuals must file renewal requests before the expiration of their current period of DACA. USCIS encourages requestors to submit their renewal request approximately 120 days (four months) before their current period of deferred action expires.

DACA is a discretionary determination to defer removal action against an individual. Individuals in DACA will be able to remain in the United States and apply for employment authorization for a period of two years. Individuals who have not requested DACA previously, but meet the criteria established, may also request deferral for the first time. It is important to note that individuals who have not continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007, are ineligible for DACA.

Individuals may request DACA renewal if they continue to meet the initial criteria and these additional guidelines:

Did not depart the United States on or after Aug. 15, 2012, without advance parole;
Have continuously resided in the United States since they submitted their most recent DACA request that was approved; and
Have not been convicted of a felony, a significant misdemeanor or three or more misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety.

The renewal process begins by filing the new version of Form I-821D “Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals,” Form I-765 “Application for Employment Authorization,” and the I-765 Worksheet. There is a filing and biometrics (fingerprints and photo) fee associated with Form I-765 totaling $465. As with an initial request, USCIS will conduct a background check when processing DACA renewals.

USCIS will also host both national and local DACA informational sessions. USCIS will provide further information on these sessions during which USCIS officials will provide additional information on the DACA process and be available to answer your questions. For information on local DACA engagements, please visit www.uscis.gov/outreach.

To learn more about the renewal process or requesting initial consideration of DACA, visit www.uscis.gov/childhoodarrivals or call the USCIS National Customer Service Center at 1-800-375-5283.

https://www.uscis.gov/news/secretary...s-daca-renewal