Thread: True intent of 14th Amendment

Originally Posted by Bowman

Originally Posted by Hispanic_Guy

read my past posts..........before you judge me!!!!!

I read you past posts, and you are all over the place. You say you want to stop illegal immigration but not anchor babies? Well anchor babies are a big reason many illegals come here it's not only for jobs, so they will keep coming unless we stop the anchor baby scam also. You know illegals can live off the money they collect from their anchors along with some part time cash work.

Plus what about "birth in the USA" tourism, you don't mind giving away US Citizenship so cheaply?

Are you an illegal alien? If you're not then how do you why they come here for?
Let me tell you what I think..It does not matter!! you close the border no illegal come across and no babies born simple....
Have you ever Swore to Protect the constitution?

ps:I never said I don't want to stop anchor babies

So Hispanic_guy, what is your point in telling all of us on this posting to "get over it!"??? Get over what? Get over the fact that millions of children have been illegally named citizens simply because they were born on our soil by illegal alien parents?

No, I personally am not going to get over that. There is NO argument that will sway me the other way.

I see all too often, where I live, the way these kids, born here to illegal alien parents, attitude towards Americans, our culture, our values and the disdain they have for the free education they are receiving. This is so terribly insulting to me and millions of other Americans, as it should be to yourself if you have an ounce of love for this country.

Does it not anger you to have some 16 year old kid yell out to someone in your family that "America sucks" and "all Americans can go f--- themselves" (now mind you, this was as we were walking into our apartment complex from the grocery store, no provocation). It angered me, and more so when I found out this kid was born right here in Oregon, and his parents were here illegally.

This is nationwide, and growing. Then to know that the 14th Amendment has been not only erroneously used, but abused to enable people who have no respect for our laws, culture, history and way of life, they simply come here to benefit. We have no laws which say a person can immigrate here simply to benefit financially.

Hispanic-guy anchor babies have to go as they as it is being used as a means to break the immigration laws. These anchor babies cost the American taxpayers thousands. It starts with the birth whcih they did not pay for. Hospitals get money to help pay for healthcare for the poor Americans and that is being taken away for those who deserve it most. In the Florida budget that amount of money is being decreased as people can no longer afford their high taxes. Now the hospitals will increase their charges to the rest of us causing our health insurance costs to go up. Then these anchor babies allow illegals to get welfare which most are glad to take, foodstamps and section 8 housing. Us Americans pay for that once again through our tax dollars. Then the kids (they very seldom have 1 or 2) go to school and get free lunches, ESL program, tutoring in some counties and free after school programs (free babysitting). This once agian costs us money. In Florida we are having a major crisis with taxes. People cannot afford it and paying for illegals is part of that huge tax increases we have had in property taxes.

Originally Posted by Hispanic_Guy

Are you an illegal alien?

According to the Mexica Movement I am since most of my ancestors came here after 1492. Do you agree with their definition of illegal alien?

If you're not then how do you know why they come here for?

Because they tell me. Plus I can see it with my own eyes.

Let me tell you what I think..It does not matter!! you close the border no illegal come across and no babies born simple....

You know it is impossible to keep all illegals out, they will keep coming for "a better life" here unless we put mines and machine guns on the border, is that what you support? Plus what about the 5 million anchor babies already here, if we do not clarify the 14th Amendment they will likely get to stay along with their 20 million illegal parents and siblings. What do you propose we do with them?

Have you ever Swore to Protect the constitution?

Yes.

ps:I never said I don't want to stop anchor babies

Then why did you tell us to forget about stopping anchor babies?

[Mod Edit - please review the rules, thanks]
Could make an awesome game show out of it though.

Originally Posted by AmericanElizabeth

So Hispanic_guy, what is your point in telling all of us on this posting to "get over it!"??? Get over what? Get over the fact that millions of children have been illegally named citizens simply because they were born on our soil by illegal alien parents?

No, I personally am not going to get over that. There is NO argument that will sway me the other way.

Stay in the past.....

I see all too often, where I live, the way these kids, born here to illegal alien parents, attitude towards Americans, our culture, our values and the disdain they have for the free education they are receiving. This is so terribly insulting to me and millions of other Americans, as it should be to yourself if you have an ounce of love for this country.

You making decisions based on you emotions

Does it not anger you to have some 16 year old kid yell out to someone in your family that "America sucks" and "all Americans can go f--- themselves" (now mind you, this was as we were walking into our apartment complex from the grocery store, no provocation). It angered me, and more so when I found out this kid was born right here in Oregon, and his parents were here illegally.

Again emotions


This is nationwide, and growing. Then to know that the 14th Amendment has been not only erroneously used, but abused to enable people who have no respect for our laws, culture, history and way of life, they simply come here to benefit. We have no laws which say a person can immigrate here simply to benefit financially.

I'm a conservative I don't like people trying to change the constitution
If it was that easy we will be all living in a police state...
Their our other options....

Bowman Mexifornia and your calling me a racist........

Hey folks - sorry to interject here... but let this humble Admin/Mod guy ask for a reversion to civility in the discussion here. I think we're all on the same side here, and although I do understand that many have varied opinions on the tertiary aspects of the immigration issue, we all have found our way here to collectively work to end illegal immigration. Please keep the 'bigger picture' in mind...

The 14th Amendment is really an odd law when you research it. Because of the 14th Amendment, we have anchor babies (limitless laborers for businesses); corporations have equal rights of citizens; and states and local governments can disenfranchise "criminals" at will (break a law, you can't vote, and you lose your 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.)

The first thing that must be done is to replace the word "natural person" for "person" in the language of the amendment. Thom Hartmann has an excellent book "Unequal Protection" detailing the fraud of the Santa Clara Railroad Supreme Court decision in the back in 1880s, how in that era corporations brought more lawsuits seeking protection under the 14th A than any aggrieved slaves.

We can't repeal the 14th Amendment, because the body of the Constitution appears to allow slavery among the states.

Interesting information Amy. However, we need to push to have clarification to the 14th, it is imperative as it is being misused terribly to allow any pregnant woman to come here, give birth and then get a "pass" for her whole family through that child. To me this is a terrible thing as not only is the whole family without any loyalty to this country, they pass that along to all of their "anchor babies" as well.

Hispanic_guy, I personally cannot sit back and not fight it when it comes to the issue of the 14th. I think it needs to be taken care of, and our politicians have that power to do so and/or have it clarified in the least within the judicial branch.

Originally Posted by PhredE

Hey folks - sorry to interject here... but let this humble Admin/Mod guy ask for a reversion to civility in the discussion here. I think we're all on the same side here, and although I do understand that many have varied opinions on the tertiary aspects of the immigration issue, we all have found our way here to collectively work to end illegal immigration. Please keep the 'bigger picture' in mind...

I Agree