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    It is also encouraging to hear that birth right citizenship would be confronted as an issue in illegal immgration. We need to completely exhaust the history behind all this. We must examine in excrutiating detal what the legal arguments are that allow this obscenity against citizenship where fewer than both parents being US citizens is sufficient for birthright citizenship. That and the perverse joke that somehow the offspring of two US citizens born outside the US is not eligible to be president.
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    The Dominican Republic deported Haitians AND their anchor babies, for at least two generations. They reasoned that these Haitians were "passing through" not intending to have children there anyway, so they ruled that they were not citizens.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7606782.html
    Hundreds of thousands of Haitian migrants and Dominicans of Haitian descent faced the risk of deportation from the Dominican Republic on Wednesday as a deadline for enforcement of a new immigration law approached.
    Dominican officials say anyone lacking identity documents or who has not registered for a so-called "regularization" program before the Wednesday night deadline could face deportation.
    The Dominican government says the changes to its nationality and immigration laws aim to tackle illegal migration from neighboring Haiti. Human rights groups say the move is rooted in longstanding racism and xenophobia in the Dominican Republic towards darker-skinned Haitians.
    Over the last century an untold number of Haitians have crossed into the more prosperous Dominican Republic to escape political violence or seek a better life, many working as sugar cane cutters, house cleaners or babysitters.
    Human rights groups say the new law could impact hundreds of thousands of these migrants and a smaller number of Dominican-born people of Haitian descent who lost citizenship after a constitutional court ruling in 2013 that has faced international criticism.

    Haitian sugar cane workers rally in front of the Haitian embassy demanding the Haitian passports needed to regularize their migration status in the Dominican Republic, in Santo Domingo on June 1, 2015. (ERIKA SANTELICES/AFP/Getty Images)
    That ruling reversed the right of citizenship for foreigners born in the Dominican Republic, stripping children of Haitian migrants of their Dominican nationality, human rights groups say.
    Dominican President Danilo Medina has said there will be no mass deportations. But undocumented Haitian migrants can be deported within 48 hours of the deadline, government officials have said. Those who register under the regularization program will have 45 days during which their applications are verified.
    The government says more than 210,000 people have registered under the program. Those deemed eligible could earn a two year temporary migrant status.
    The Dominican army has 2,000 troops ready to help coordinate the removal of people who fail to meet legal requirements to remain in the country. Four "Welcome Centers" are being set up to receive undocumented people, the government said.
    Local media have reported the government has dozens of buses on standby to transport undocumented people to the Haiti border.

    Haitian sugar cane workers rally in front of the Haitian embassy demanding the Haitian passports needed to regularize their migration status in the Dominican Republic, in Santo Domingo on June 1, 2015. (ERIKA SANTELICES/AFP/Getty Images)
    For the last few weeks long lines of Haitian migrants and Dominican-Haitians have formed outside a government office in the capital seeking to register under the regularization program, as police in riot gear stand guard.
    On Tuesday, Milaine Nocent beamed as she showed a reporter a copy of an official document obtained after four days of standing in line to register her children as Dominicans.
    "Now we can stay," she said with evident relief.
    Augustin Wasner, a construction worker who said he lacked the needed documents, vowed that whatever happened he would never return to Haiti.
    "I have brought many papers, I talked with many men but I can’t get inside," Wasner said.
    There is no official data on how many Dominicans of Haitian descent are in the country, human rights groups say, as many never obtained documents with the civil registry. Less than 9,000 have been able to register under a separate naturalization program which expired in February, according to Human Rights Watch.
    Amnesty International said it was concerned many Dominican-born people with a legitimate right to stay could be removed because they lack documentation.
    (Writing by David Adams. Additional reporting by Peter Granitz in Port-au-Prince; Editing by Andrew Hay)
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    Now that Trump has hired Miller away from Sen. Sessions, I don't think we'll hear anymore about deporting every single illegal within a two year period. It was an unattainable goal and Trump's new adviser Miller probably informed him of that fact.
    Oh boy, this is going to be front and center at the next debate (because Cruz modifies deportation stance) when the topic of immigration comes up. This will be a very important debate coming up with respect to this subject and we know everybody's position, can't wait.
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    Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe s View Post
    Oh boy, this is going to be front and center at the next debate (because Cruz modifies deportation stance) when the topic of immigration comes up. This will be a very important debate coming up with respect to this subject and we know everybody's position, can't wait.
    Honestly, I don't see it as being a very big departure from anything he's said in the past. He has always said we will fully enforce our immigration law and has never said a single illegal will be exempt from deportation, unlike Trump. Fully enforcing our immigration laws has always meant the active pursuit of illegals to me. His mention of tripling our ICE agent numbers is something new for me. If he's able to do that, the business raids of old should start up again. If he can produce the funding to triple ICE numbers, Obama's excuse of needing to prioritize enforcement will no longer be an issue because we'll have ample agents to purse all known illegals.

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    Honestly, it's a huge deviation.

    Cruz changes tune on rounding up undocumented immigrants

    By David Wright, CNN

    Updated 7:36 PM ET, Tue February 23, 2016 | Video Source: CNN

    Now Playing Marco Rubio accuses Ted...

    (CNN)Ted Cruz moved to a more aggressive deportation policy in an interview on Monday night, saying he would look for and deport undocumentedl immigrants using Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents, marking a change from a January interview with CNN.

    Appearing on "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox News, Cruz was repeatedly pressed on the specifics of his deportation plans by host Bill O'Reilly, who asked Cruz, "Would you go look for them, though? As (Donald) Trump would look for them to get them out, would you do that if you were president?"

    "Bill, of course you would, that's what ICE exists for," Cruz said. "We have law enforcement that looks for people who are violating the laws, that apprehends them and deports them."

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    O'Reilly offered a hypothetical example of an immigrant from Ireland with "a couple of kids and he's settled into Long Island."

    "And you, President Cruz, are going to send the feds to his house, take him out, and put him on a plane back to Ireland?" O'Reilly asked.

    "You better believe it," Cruz said.

    Cruz's comments to O'Reilly stand in stark contrast from his previous rhetoric on the issue.

    In a January interview with CNN's Jake Tapper, Cruz had said he would not deploy a "deportation force," as Trump as suggested he would do as president.

    "I don't intend to send jackboots to knock on your door and every door in America. That's not how we enforce the law for any crime," Cruz told Tapper. "We don't live in a police state. We do have law enforcement."

    Chad Sweet, chairman of Cruz's presidential campaign, had also said after CNN's Republican presidential debate in December that the Cruz campaign supported "attrition through enforcement."

    Cruz, winner of the GOP Iowa caucuses, is at a critical point in his campaign, following two significant losses to Trump in New Hampshire and South Carolina. He also fired his communications director on Monday for circulating a misleading video about rival Marco Rubio.

    His next test is Tuesday, when Nevada Republicans head to their caucuses.

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    Using ICE as a deportation force looking for, hunting down illegal aliens for deportation is a huge vast wide deviation from "attrition through enforcement".

    Cruz is a loose cannon, he's against deportation, then he's for it, he's for the TPA, then he's against it, he's for legalization of illegal aliens, then he's against it, he's for John Roberts, then he's against him.

    I have to stop, I'm getting seasick just thinking about all his back and forth.
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    Honestly, I don't see it as being a very big departure from anything he's said in the past. He has always said we will fully enforce our immigration law and has never said a single illegal will be exempt from deportation, unlike Trump. Fully enforcing our immigration laws has always meant the active pursuit of illegals to me. His mention of tripling our ICE agent numbers is something new for me. If he's able to do that, the business raids of old should start up again. If he can produce the funding to triple ICE numbers, Obama's excuse of needing to prioritize enforcement will no longer be an issue because we'll have ample agents to purse all known illegals.
    Really? It is a positive move and I applaud it (I am not attacking you or Cruz, I am stating a material fact about his new position versus his old position), however, under his other position, Cruz would apply the law and when an illegal is apprehended for another crime, they would then discover they are here illegally and deport. Remember what I said last time we discussed this a few weeks back: if 9M illegal immigrants don't do anything wrong to be apprehended, then essentially they could stay indefinitely. This new position is radically different and may I add better. Please explain why you condemn Trumps version of a mass deportation when Cruz' plan is exactly the same. If you thought Trumps' plan was not realistic or workable, how do you support Cruz' plan without the same scrutiny? This only applies to deportation of non-criminal illegals. All others fall under their own category and are accounted for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe s View Post
    Really? It is a positive move and I applaud it (I am not attacking you or Cruz, I am stating a material fact about his new position versus his old position), however, under his other position, Cruz would apply the law and when an illegal is apprehended for another crime, they would then discover they are here illegally and deport. Remember what I said last time we discussed this a few weeks back: if 9M illegal immigrants don't do anything wrong to be apprehended, then essentially they could stay indefinitely. This new position is radically different and may I add better. Please explain why you condemn Trumps version of a mass deportation when Cruz' plan is exactly the same. If you thought Trumps' plan was not realistic or workable, how do you support Cruz' plan without the same scrutiny? This only applies to deportation of non-criminal illegals. All others fall under their own category and are accounted for.
    I don't think saying I condemned Trump's plan is exactly accurate, however, I have said it is very unrealistic. In all honesty, do you really believe Trump could deport 20+ million illegals in 18 months? While the intent sounds very inviting, we all know the pieces just aren't in place to accomplish such a feat. Cruz has never said he is going to deport all illegals within 18 months and he's making no such claim now. To make such a claim is either shortsighted or a flat out pandering lie. He's saying he'll triple ICE agents, enforce all our immigration laws, which will include the active pursuit of illegals. Like I said in my earlier post, enforcing all our immigration laws includes pursuing illegals to me. So saying he'll actively pursue them now doesn't sound like much of a departure from his original plan, not for me anyway. I guess it's possible our perception of what he's saying could differ somewhat.

    This is an election year and I understand that. Being an election year means all the candidates, including Trump and Cruz, are going to say what they can to appeal to the voter segments they're seeking. I have no problem with that, but I think their proposals should at least be realistic and workable.

    Truthfully, I am having a huge problem coming to grips with Trump's promise to expedite the return of all good illegals after they've been deported and his proposal for a merit-system that would allow some to stay. Both of those are amnesty. I just wish Trump would walk those comments back ..... and soon! If he would do that, he and Cruz would pretty much be on equal ground on immigration and border security for me. Cruz said that once an illegal is deported, there will be no return.

    For me:

    Illegal immigration (Cruz)
    Border security (Trump - Cruz)
    Trade (Trump)
    Legal immigration (Trump)
    Social issues (Cruz)
    Supreme Court nomination (Cruz)
    Environment (Neither)

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    I am a realist and if neither of these two get in, nothing will happen. If Cruz doesn't get it together soon, he will fall behind to far to realistically be a viable contender. In any event, if Trump get's in and delivers half of what he is talking about within the first two years (controlling input/output), I will be thrilled. Same with Cruz, but I don't see it happening for him. He may have passed his high water mark a few weeks back.

    Great debate tomorrow, looking forward to hearing from everyone except Carson and Kasich.....why are they still in the race? Hasn't someone told them it is over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe s View Post
    I am a realist and if neither of these two get in, nothing will happen. If Cruz doesn't get it together soon, he will fall behind to far to realistically be a viable contender. In any event, if Trump get's in and delivers half of what he is talking about within the first two years (controlling input/output), I will be thrilled. Same with Cruz, but I don't see it happening for him. He may have passed his high water mark a few weeks back.

    Great debate tomorrow, looking forward to hearing from everyone except Carson and Kasich.....why are they still in the race? Hasn't someone told them it is over.
    You may be correct on Cruz seeing his high water mark. Guess we'll know the verdict on that after Super Tuesday. However, even that doesn't erase my feeling that he would do a good job representing me in the White House even if others feel differently.

    I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this:

    Truthfully, I am having a huge problem coming to grips with Trump's promise to expedite the return of all good illegals after they've been deported and his proposal for a merit-system that would allow some to stay. Both of those are amnesty. I just wish Trump would walk those comments back ..... and soon! If he would do that, he and Cruz would pretty much be on equal ground on immigration and border security for me. Cruz said that once an illegal is deported, there will be no return.
    Am I the only one around here that finds this very concerning?

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