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    Trump Defies Rep/Dems With Shutdown Threats. Wall along the US southern border

    Trump Defies Republicans And Democrats With Shutdown Threats

    "...the House proposal, worked out in talks with the White House budget office, falls short of the total $23 billion Trump has sought..."

    Wed, 09/05/2018 - 10:04

    With the end of the federal government's fiscal year looming, President Trump is once again wielding threats of a "good" government shutdown as a cudgel to batter intransigent Democrats and Republicans who are standing in the way of his plans to build his promised wall along the US's southern border.
    Of course, this isn't the first time Trump has threatened a shutdown - and at this point in the game, with the outrageous allegation from Bob Woodward's tell-all vying for dominance in the news cycle and Trump's trade war contributing to the stress in emerging markets - the president might view a shutdown fight as an advantageous distraction ahead of the Nov. 6 midterm vote.

    But there's also reason to believe the president could be sincere about this threat. After all, even his Republican allies in Congress have done seemingly everything in their power to avoid the issue of funding for the border wall.
    Here's Bloomberg:
    "On the wall, the House spending panel has backed spending $5 billion next year while the Senate has backed $1.6 billion. The House proposal, worked out in talks with the White House budget office, falls short of the total $23 billion Trump has sought."
    While Congressional leaders have been lobbying Trump for months to pass a half-dozen or so spending bills before the Oct. 1 deadline, immigration hardliners in the West Wing have been encouraging Trump to stand his ground, according to Politico. The reasoning, according to the hardliners, is that funding for the wall will be effectively dead in the water if Democrats wrestle back control of Congress after the midterms - so why not press the advantage now?
    For months, GOP leaders have been laying the groundwork to avoid a shutdown on Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year and just five weeks before Election Day. Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and even Vice President Mike Pence are already quietly lobbying Trump to postpone a shutdown fight over his border wall with Mexico until after the election, Hill and Trump administration sources say.
    But any carefully laid plans could be for naught, as Trump receives contradictory advice from rival factions in the West Wing. Some White House officials are confident that Trump will sign spending bills keeping the government open.
    A smaller subset of immigration hard-liners inside the White House, however, are encouraging Trump to fight on the border wall issue now, while Republicans still control Congress. These officials think the House majority is already gone — and they have encouraged Trump to hold the line for his border wall and secure a win while he can, according to multiple sources on Capitol Hill and in the administration.
    Trump, along with Republican congressional leaders, is trying to set up a meeting with the Democrats next week to try and hash out some of these issues. But it's unclear how successful that might be. According to Politico, forcing a shut down would "almost certainly" cost Republicans their majority in the House. However, that analysis is based on the polling data - and as we learned in 2016, polls are sometimes wrong.
    But a shutdown now would almost certainly cost Republicans their House majority. Democrats are currently favored to win the lower chamber. And GOP lawmakers are already being dragged down by Trump’s abysmal approval ratings and the criminal cases involving Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen. There’s a sense that a shutdown would be the final nail in the coffin for House Republicans.
    "A shutdown’s not good for anybody, whether Republicans or Democrats," Senate Appropriations Chairman Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) said. "I want to do everything I can to avoid a shutdown."
    Given Trump's unpredictability GOP leaders have been preparing for the worst-case scenario: That Trump puts his foot down and insists on the shutdown. If he does, lawmakers will have little recourse - unless they could muster the votes to override a presidential veto.
    Finally we note that the spread between pre-fiscal-year-end and post-fiscal-year-end Treasury Bill yields is spiking signaling the market is starting to price in some anxiety across that crucial dateline...

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    Trump On Possible Government Shutdown: "If It Happens, It Happens"

    President Trump indicated on Wednesday that he would accept a government shutdown in order to press for funding for building more of the wall on the U.S.-Mexico border: "If it happens, it happens."

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    Received the following in an email today from Conservative Daily:

    Breaking: GOP Leaders Officially Surrender, Delay Border Wall Funding Until After Election

    We just received a bombshell leak from Congress. Last week, the GOP leadership held a conference call and decided that they would not fund the border wall in the upcoming Homeland Security spending bill.

    We have heard about this before. Mitch McConnell pitched the idea months ago of delaying the border wall funding until after the midterm election. He doesn't want to have a fight this close to the election.

    Instead of doing what they promised, the GOP leadership are asking you to trust them.

    They are asking you to trust that after the election -- once you have given up all of your leverage -- they will do the right thing and fully fund the border wall. They want you to forget about the fact that we've been waiting 10+ years for this funding to be approved and trust that once their jobs are secured, they'll secure the border.

    It is gravely insulting. Not only is it insulting that they think we should reward them with re-election to get what they want, but it is insulting that they actually think you will fall for this!

    If you trust the GOP to fund the wall on its own, then by all means, sit back and watch.

    Just so we're clear, the GOP is planning on passing a continuing resolution that prohibits border wall spending and then once you've elected them to another two or six year term, they're promising to overturn this provision and appropriate the funds.In order to get them to approve the border wall, they're claiming they need to ban it first.

    If they are allowed to get away with this, the border wall will not get built. You know it, I know it, and they know it.Paul Ryan tried this last year. He refused to fund the border wall on multiple occasions, promising each time that the funding would pass in just a few weeks. Those were lies. The GOP has lied to us for 19 and a half months. Now, they're trying to do it one more time.

    If the Democrats take over one or more chambers of Congress this November, then the wall will never be built. If Republicans are able to eke out a win, then they'll be able to say the voters don't care about building the wall and continue blocking it. To the open-borders establishment, it's a win-win. Congressmen and Senators are willing to do practically anything to secure those two things.The GOP establishment thinks they can trick you into supporting them without them needing to approve the border wall project.

    Conservatives in Congress are waking up. The Freedom Caucus understands what will happen to them if they allow Congress to defund the border wall. They know they'll get slaughtered at the polls.

    Just yesterday, Rep. Jim Jordan and others issued a formal demand to the leadership for full border wall funding to be included in the upcoming spending package."We should do what we said. What was probably the single biggest promise Republicans made to the voters in 2016? It was the border security wall," Jordan announced on Fox and Friends this morning. "So let's get it done on the spending bill."

    Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, however, are officially moving forward with their betrayal plan. Instead of passing a spending package for the Department of Homeland Security, they are going to simply extend this year's spending package a few weeks until after the election.

    They would rather stab Conservatives in the back and get 34 Democrats to support their bill than actually fulfill their promises to Conservatives.That is what they are doing. For every Conservative who rises against their open border surrender plan, they court another Democrat to help them pass it. They are terrified of actually passing a Conservative spending package.

    The GOPe thought they could surrender without incident. They thought they could force this through and you would be none the wiser.They were wrong. Now you know, and with that knowledge comes a responsibility -- nay, a duty -- to act on it.You must finish this and FORCE Congress to fully fund Pres. Trump's border wall project!

    Tell Congress right now that any Congressman or Senator who blocks the border wall funding will be kicked out of office!

    The Republican Leadership knows that this is their best chance to block the border wall from ever being built in Trump's first term. That was their goal all along. From the very beginning, they used every excuse in the book to explain why the "timing wasn't right" to secure the border.

    Just think about that. These people are so consumed by their power that they actually believe the timing isn't right to protect Americans from the scourge of illegal immigration and the crime that floods across the border.

    They look at Mollie Tibbetts, Sarah Root, or Kate Steinle and say the timing isn't right to do anything about it. The only "timing" they do care about, however, is their re-election.

    It's time to fight back with everything we've got. Bombard Congress and DEMAND full border wall funding this month, or else we will immediately withhold our donations and votes.

    The only language these gutless politicians understand is fear and it is up to you to strike fear in their hearts right now!

    Please don't let Ryan and McConnell block the border wall funding! Send your instant message to Congress right now and DEMAND full border wall funding in the Department Homeland Security Appropriations Act... or else!

    Sincerely,Joe Otto
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    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**

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    Shut the government down...NO paychecks and NO backpay!

    We want the wall now!
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