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    As Trump Orders Wall, Mexico’s President Considers Canceling U.S. Trip

    As Trump Orders Wall, Mexico’s President Considers Canceling U.S. Trip

    The New York Times
    By AZAM AHMED
    2 hrs ago

    MEXICO CITY — President Enrique Peña Nieto of Mexico is considering canceling his meeting with President Trump in Washington next week, officials said Wednesday, responding to broad public outrage in Mexico over Mr. Trump’s announcement that he will construct a wall along the southern border of the United States.

    Mexicans across the political spectrum have been calling for Mr. Peña Nieto to cancel the meeting since Mr. Trump signaled his intention to build the wall late Tuesday night.

    “In light of today’s ambush and ‘my way or the highway’ policies, Mexico would do well in carefully re-evaluating the president’s trip next week,” Arturo Sarukhan, the former Mexican ambassador to the United States, said Wednesday morning.

    On Twitter, others had less measured words for Mr. Trump’s announcement, calling it “an offense to Mexico,” a “slap in the face” and a “monument to lies.”

    Mr. Trump’s executive order complicates a relationship that had already grown tense during the American election campaign. His promises to build a wall, deport millions of Mexicans and cancel the North American Free Trade Agreement became harder for Mexicans to ignore. But Wednesday’s broadside, coming as the foreign minister, Luis Videgaray, was to begin his first day of preliminary talks in Washington, touched a new low in bilateral relations.

    Pressure has been building on Mr. Peña Nieto, whose approval ratings are near the single digits, to respond more forcefully to Mr. Trump’s provocations. So far he has resisted such calls, preferring dialogue to confrontation. But having his foreign minister greeted with an order for building a border wall was likely to chip away at that resolve.

    Mr. Videgaray orchestrated Mr. Trump’s visit to Mexico during the campaign last year, when he was finance minister. The move drew such widespread condemnation that Mr. Videgaray resigned his post.

    After Mr. Trump’s victory, Mr. Videgaray’s fortunes revived and he became foreign minister. But any hope that his invitation could be leveraged in Mexico’s favor now seem dashed.

    Many Mexicans said they felt conciliatory gestures were no longer an option.

    “It’s like we are Charlie Brown and they are Lucy with the football,” said Jorge Castañeda, a former foreign minister of Mexico. “Peña is a weak president in a weak country at a weak moment, but he has to find a way to get some official backbone.”

    While Mexico does not want a war of words — or trade — with Washington, in recent days top government officials have gone on record saying they would be willing to walk away from Nafta if the negotiations did not suit Mexico’s interests. That position was unthinkable even a few months ago.

    For a new American president, Mr. Trump is both extremely well known in Mexico and widely disliked.

    His positions have unified an otherwise fractious country, where corruption, a fledgling rule of law and economic struggles have alienated many from political engagement. As Mr. Trump’s promises have begun to materialize into action, the public discourse is changing.

    “This wall, instead of creating good borders, will inevitably and undoubtedly create more security problems for the U.S.,” said Roberto Ortiz, 72, who sells GPS navigation units for drivers. “He will no longer enjoy Mexico’s cooperation and help with these issues.”

    Still, despite the outrage, there was a recognition that the action was more political than substantive, like the wall itself. A meaningful stretch of the United States border is already lined with a wall, and illegal immigration persists.

    Most experts do not think a wall will make any difference.

    “Symbolic gestures are not going to change the fact that we’re neighbors and that our countries will affect each other in perpetuity,” said Carlos Pascual, a former United States ambassador to Mexico. “We have no choice but to keep working for better solutions.”

    Others took the wall threat with a grain of salt, figuring Mexican creativity, or ingenuity, would render it useless anyway.

    “This is just politics, it won’t upend life in Mexico,” said Ariel Najum, 39, who runs a family business. “You know how Mexicans are: If they go high, we go underneath, with tunnels.”

    Paulina Villegas contributed reporting.

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    “This is just politics, it won’t upend life in Mexico,” said Ariel Najum, 39, who runs a family business. “You know how Mexicans are: If they go high, we go underneath, with tunnels.”


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    We have land mines...go right ahead. Call us on our bluff.
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    If Mexico doesn't respect our sovereign right to build a wall to keep their illegal aliens, criminal enterprises and drugs out of our country, then there is no foundation for talks with Mexico about NAFTA anyway, leaving US the simple option of US withdrawal from NAFTA. Most of US despise NAFTA. There's been no good from it come to the United States.

    If they cancel the meeting, then cancel NAFTA and lets get on down the road with fixing our country, our way. The world needs to recognize, the Americans are back. We're in charge of our country again. And your worst nightmare is 250 million pissed-off Americans. We're sick of your whining, begging, cheating, mooching, protesting and taking advantage of US because of weak, bribed traitors at our helm.

    It's a whole New Day in America.

    Trump Train Moving On.
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    Mexico is in talks with doing business with China, like "I'll show you gringos" LOL

    Great "build a bridge" to China...you can funnel all your illegals, drugs, gangs, diseases and terrorists to China. See how well that goes over. They do not want your people or problems either.
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    ROFL!! Yeah, they can tunnel their way to China. Hilarious, Beezer!!!

    You know, the Japanese loved tunnels during WWII. Do the Mexicans not know enough about the Americans to know how we took Iwo Jima? They need to read up.
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    Vicente Fox is beside himself again, using foul language and repeating his ridiculous statement that Mexico will not pay for the wall. He can keep saying it but it has zero influence on what we can do with remittances and monies we give to the nation.

    If The President of Mexico cancels his trip because he thinks he can play hard ball with President Trump, it will only make negotiations more difficult for his nation and people. This just proves how desperate they are for the billions in remittances and scared to have millions of their citizens return. They may see the riots and demonstrations over there that American citizens have been made to watch and endure for years.

    Mexico and elsewhere send their poor, illiterate, unskilled, criminal, and then they want to be paid for the damages. They need to make the positive changes now as their people return.

    Jorge Ramos is now spewing his nonsense. Bemoaning ending "Catch and Release" with cries of are you going to deport children at the border.
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    Mexico is a criminal nation. We need to disengage with them. Let them go their own way to wherever.
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    "Jorge Ramos is now spewing his nonsense. Bemoaning ending "Catch and Release" with cries of are you going to deport children at the border."

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    Maybe ole Jorge had better be bemoaning to the President of Mexico and Central America how they can "pat their little kids on the head and their behinds" and then send them off into the arms of human traffickers and making $$$ off it.

    Really Jorge? Time to face the truth and the facts and stop this corrupt human trafficking ring facilitated by your homies.
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