Thread: Trump's wall: How much has been built so far?

Originally Posted by Judy

Yeah, that's right, everyone is a Trump Puppet, but you.

LOL!!!

When you work for somebody, you normally dance to their tune. Well, that's what you do when you want to stay employed.

Then people need to stop posting pictures of the new walls, the media needs to stop filming the new walls, newspapers and broadcasters need to stop reporting on the new walls, and then it will be a big giant Trump Wall Secret, and you can wail with Ann and Laura about there being no walls. Hee Hee. But this claiming there's no walls when the cat's out of the bag and 30 foot high new walls are all over the damn place, now that's just .... stunningly .... stupid!

Entertaining, but stupid!

Originally Posted by Judy

Then people need to stop posting pictures of the new walls, the media needs to stop filming the new walls, newspapers and broadcasters need to stop reporting on the new walls, and then it will be a big giant Trump Wall Secret, and you can wail with Ann and Laura about there being no walls. Hee Hee. But this claiming there's no walls when the cat's out of the bag and 30 foot high new walls are all over the damn place, now that's just .... stunningly .... stupid!

Entertaining, but stupid!

Hmm, after all the recent news media talk, you still haven't figured out the difference between a wall and a fence?

LOL!!! Oh my God, a fence used for defense is a wall in the English language. I posted the definition for you. Definition number 6, Merriam-Webster, for the word "wall".

Speak English, man!!!!

POLITICS 11/04/2018 05:45 am ET Updated Dec 31, 2018

Trump Keeps Lying About Having Started His Wall, And His Supporters Don’t Care

The president says Congress has given him nearly $5 billion to start building his “Great Wall.” The actual figure is zero.


By S.V. Date




PENSACOLA, Fla. ― Donald Trump keeps claiming that construction on his promised “great wall” is well underway although not a single yard of it has been built, and his supporters are getting mad ― not at the president, but at those who point out his lie.

“I don’t care. He has done more than any Republican or Democrat,” said Pete Sandifer, a 58-year-old military retiree who with his wife drove two and a half hours from Hattiesburg, Mississippi, to attend Trump’s rally in the far western Florida Panhandle.

Sharon Sandifer, 43, disputed that Trump has been unable to secure any funding for his wall along the U.S.-Mexico border from any source ― a fact easily proven in the spending legislation that Trump himself has signed.

“Excuse me,” she told HuffPost a short while before Trump arrived at Pensacola International Airport for a Saturday evening rally. “But it’s your word against his.”

Robert Robertson, in line to clear security and enter the massive hangar where Trump was to speak, was not interested in hearing about Trump’s falsehoods about the wall ― or anything else, for that matter.

“All politicians are liars. They’re all weasels,” said the 60-year-old from Panama City. “You know why he’s so good? Because he’s up there breaking all the furniture. If he wanted to shoot somebody on Broadway, I’d vote ‘not guilty.’”

Rick Wilson, a Florida GOP consultant and a Trump critic from the time he entered the presidential race, said the Trump supporters who ignore his failure to deliver on the signature promise of his campaign ― let alone get Mexico to pay for it, which he also promised ― speak volumes.

“They either think it’s mostly built, or they think the Mexican check just hasn’t cleared yet,” Wilson said. “It’s just magical thinking.”

Trump promised hundreds of times during his campaign that he would force Mexico to pay for the wall’s construction. Yet nearly two years into his presidency, he has not even once broached the topic with that country. In fact, he acknowledged to Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto just days after taking office that he understood Mexico would not pay for the wall but asked Peña Nieto not to say that publicly to avoid embarrassing Trump with his supporters.

S.V. DATE/HUFFPOSTSharon and Pete Sandifer drove two and half hours from Hattiesburg, Mississippi, to see Trump speak in Pensacola Saturday night. She refuses to believe that Trump is lying when he claims work has started on his border wall. He says he doesn’t care even if Trump is lying.

That promise of forcing Mexico to pay, first made the day Trump came down his Manhattan condo escalator to announce his campaign in June 2015, has now been abandoned. Instead, Trump has taken to claiming in recent months that Congress gave him $1.6 billion to start wall construction. He later increased that amount to $3.2 billion, and in recent speeches he has added a third $1.6 billion tranche, bringing the supposed total to nearly $5 billion.


In fact, the actual dollar amount Congress has appropriated for wall construction is zero.

There was $1.57 billion in the 2017-2018 spending bill to build and repair 33 miles of fencing along the southwest border and pay for some additional border security measures. However, the legislation specifically prohibited the construction of any form of structure that was not already in use in 2017.

With most of Trump’s thousands of falsehoods, it is unclear whether he knows he is saying something untrue. Trump has proven to be deeply ignorant on any number of issues important to the presidency, so in many cases, a given falsehood could be a matter of him lacking information about a topic but forming a strong opinion nonetheless.

But on the matter of the wall, Trump does seem to understand that Congress has not provided any funding for its construction. In fact, he threatened to veto a massive $1.3 trillion spending package in March because it did not pay for his wall. He wound up signing it anyway, and said he did so because of all the money it contained for the military.

Trump similarly signed an $853 billion spending bill in September to avoid a government shutdown just weeks before the midterm elections. That legislation also has no money for wall construction.

Despite all of this, Trump has claimed that construction has begun on his wall in virtually every rally speech of late. He repeated the falsehood again in Pensacola Saturday night.

“So we’re building the wall. As you know. It started. We did $1.6 billion. We got another $1.6 billion, we’re doing that. And we have another third, but I want to build it all at one time,” Trump said.

And his supporters, from elderly to first-time voters, said the lie did not bother them.

“Trump has really good intentions. And a lot of the things he says, I think he will do,” said Abigail Mainor, an 18-year-old student at Northwest Florida College in nearby Niceville who said she will be casting her first ballot in Tuesday’s midterm elections. “Everyone makes mistakes.”

Trump’s Pensacola visit was his second campaign stop in Florida in four days on behalf of former Jacksonville-area Rep. Ron DeSantis, who is running for governor, and current Gov. Rick Scott, who is running for Senate.

Their respective Democratic opponents are Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum, who is hoping to become the first African-American Florida governor, and Sen. Bill Nelson, who is running for a fourth six-year term.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-wall-lies_us_5bddf9e7e4b09d43e31f6c93

She refuses to believe that Trump is lying when he claims work has started on his border wall. He says he doesn’t care even if Trump is lying.

I love Trump Supporters!! "We don't care even if he is lyin." LOL!!! Laughing so hard my eyes are tearing up. Oh man, I adore these people, they are the salt of this earth and the salvation of this nation.

Originally Posted by MW

He says he doesn’t care even if Trump is lying.

If he wanted to shoot somebody on Broadway, I’d vote ‘not guilty.’”

And his supporters, from elderly to first-time voters, said the lie did not bother them.

We now have a problem in this country that is as great as the invasion itself, and right there it is for all the world to see.

Donald Trump has not one penny to build 'The Wall,' so he's simply going to lie about it



Mark Sumner
Daily Kos Staff

Thursday March 29, 2018 · 1:27 PM EDT




None of the above.

On Wednesday, Donald Trump published a triumphant tweet supposedly showing “The Wall” under construction.

Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump


Great briefing this afternoon on the start of our Southern Border WALL!

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But as Buzzfeed quickly pointed out, this wasn’t Trump’s wall. In fact, the images Trump was waving around had nothing to do with any of his promises, or threats. What Trump was claiming as his, was actually just repair of a section of existing fence in Calexico, California. The funding, scheduling, and planning for these repairs was done in 2009. The fence is meant to replace an unsightly wall composed mostly from scrap metal that was built in the 1990s.

Better still, the photos that Trump used for his “start of the wall” tweet were actually from work that was done more than a month before he even signed the omnibus funding bill.

Best of all, Esquire points out that Trump is lying to cover up the fact that he still doesn’t have dollar one for building his wall.

President Trump secured just $1.6 billion in border security funding in the last spending bill, well short of the $25 billion-plus needed to realize his signature campaign promise. It will primarily go towards a fence—which Trump specifically promised would not be a substitute for his Big, Beautiful Wall—and just $38 million is available for “border barrier planning and design.”

So Trump was lying about it being the start of his wall. He was lying about it being the wall. And he was lying about being able to start on his wall. Not only has the wall not started, Trump is out of options.

The wall is the most visible part of Trump’s set of promises, and even his supporters are unlikely to be put off long by a picket fence authorized under President Obama.

Trump is feeling the heat. Failure to build The Wall may be the one thing that causes The Base to desert him. (President Business Deals echoed this himself when he begged the President of Mexico not to say in public they won't pay.)

That heat has Trump trying to steal money from the military.

After floating the notion to several advisers last week, he told House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) that the military should pay for the wall, according to three people familiar with the meeting last Wednesday in the White House residence. Ryan offered little reaction to the notion, these people said, but senior Capitol Hill officials later said it was an unlikely prospect.

Again on Wednesday, Trump talked about how the wall “has started” how “beautiful” it is and reminded people to look at the pictures he posted on Wednesday. Pictures of a fence. Paid for, designed, planned, and scheduled before Trump appeared on the scene.

The truth is that Trump’s whole “Build that wall!” theme is just another of the quips floated, tested, and refined by Steve Bannon and Cambridge Analytica that Trump wandered on stage to say.

Where did the ideas that animated the candidate’s packed rallies — and juiced voter turnout in Rust Belt states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio — come from? “Build the wall!”? “Drain the swamp!”? “Crooked Hillary!”? “Deep state!”? Defining immigrants as violent gangs or murderous thugs? Painting American’s urban neighborhoods as crime-infested ratholes.

In a stunning week of revelations, we now know the answer. The core messages of the president’s underlying xenophobia and racism that animated his base didn’t emerge from the mind of “very stable genius” Trump (despite a long life of troubling racial attitudes). Instead, the nonstop undercurrent of hate toward The Other in American life was focus-grouped, computer-coded, deliberately amplified by a new ultra-right-wing media echo chamber and then targeted with cruise-missile precision at the handful of states that Trump won by roughly 100,000 votes to grab the Electoral Vote.

Now Trump has to face the fact that the wall he promised in every rally, debate, and commercial … has not a dime to start funding. So instead he’s just telling his supporters that the Big Beautiful Wall is underway and showing them pictures of a short length of fence that divides a road on Calexico. Because he has no respect for his supporters, and has every faith they’ll believe anything he tells them.

Trump should just use pictures of the border wall from the 2010 film, Monsters. It’s much more impressive — and it wouldn’t be any more of a lie.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...out-it-instead

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We now have a problem in this country that is as great as the invasion itself, and right there it is for all the world to see.

If you knew American English, you would know they just politely told you to kiss their ass.

Originally Posted by MW

Donald Trump has not one penny to build 'The Wall,' so he's simply going to lie about it



Mark Sumner
Daily Kos Staff

Thursday March 29, 2018 · 1:27 PM EDT




None of the above.

On Wednesday, Donald Trump published a triumphant tweet supposedly showing “The Wall” under construction.

Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump


Great briefing this afternoon on the start of our Southern Border WALL!

113K
2:47 PM - Mar 28, 2018

59.9K people are talking about this

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But as Buzzfeed quickly pointed out, this wasn’t Trump’s wall. In fact, the images Trump was waving around had nothing to do with any of his promises, or threats. What Trump was claiming as his, was actually just repair of a section of existing fence in Calexico, California. The funding, scheduling, and planning for these repairs was done in 2009. The fence is meant to replace an unsightly wall composed mostly from scrap metal that was built in the 1990s.

Better still, the photos that Trump used for his “start of the wall” tweet were actually from work that was done more than a month before he even signed the omnibus funding bill.

Best of all, Esquire points out that Trump is lying to cover up the fact that he still doesn’t have dollar one for building his wall.

President Trump secured just $1.6 billion in border security funding in the last spending bill, well short of the $25 billion-plus needed to realize his signature campaign promise. It will primarily go towards a fence—which Trump specifically promised would not be a substitute for his Big, Beautiful Wall—and just $38 million is available for “border barrier planning and design.”

So Trump was lying about it being the start of his wall. He was lying about it being the wall. And he was lying about being able to start on his wall. Not only has the wall not started, Trump is out of options.

The wall is the most visible part of Trump’s set of promises, and even his supporters are unlikely to be put off long by a picket fence authorized under President Obama.

Trump is feeling the heat. Failure to build The Wall may be the one thing that causes The Base to desert him. (President Business Deals echoed this himself when he begged the President of Mexico not to say in public they won't pay.)

That heat has Trump trying to steal money from the military.

After floating the notion to several advisers last week, he told House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) that the military should pay for the wall, according to three people familiar with the meeting last Wednesday in the White House residence. Ryan offered little reaction to the notion, these people said, but senior Capitol Hill officials later said it was an unlikely prospect.

Again on Wednesday, Trump talked about how the wall “has started” how “beautiful” it is and reminded people to look at the pictures he posted on Wednesday. Pictures of a fence. Paid for, designed, planned, and scheduled before Trump appeared on the scene.

The truth is that Trump’s whole “Build that wall!” theme is just another of the quips floated, tested, and refined by Steve Bannon and Cambridge Analytica that Trump wandered on stage to say.

Where did the ideas that animated the candidate’s packed rallies — and juiced voter turnout in Rust Belt states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio — come from? “Build the wall!”? “Drain the swamp!”? “Crooked Hillary!”? “Deep state!”? Defining immigrants as violent gangs or murderous thugs? Painting American’s urban neighborhoods as crime-infested ratholes.

In a stunning week of revelations, we now know the answer. The core messages of the president’s underlying xenophobia and racism that animated his base didn’t emerge from the mind of “very stable genius” Trump (despite a long life of troubling racial attitudes). Instead, the nonstop undercurrent of hate toward The Other in American life was focus-grouped, computer-coded, deliberately amplified by a new ultra-right-wing media echo chamber and then targeted with cruise-missile precision at the handful of states that Trump won by roughly 100,000 votes to grab the Electoral Vote.

Now Trump has to face the fact that the wall he promised in every rally, debate, and commercial … has not a dime to start funding. So instead he’s just telling his supporters that the Big Beautiful Wall is underway and showing them pictures of a short length of fence that divides a road on Calexico. Because he has no respect for his supporters, and has every faith they’ll believe anything he tells them.

Trump should just use pictures of the border wall from the 2010 film, Monsters. It’s much more impressive — and it wouldn’t be any more of a lie.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...out-it-instead

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