Thread: We must find a way to make peace between two groups....

Originally Posted by googler

But he also passed this a little doozie known as RomneyCARE in which it allowed illegal aliens in the state of Mass. to receive some form of health benefits. If he was strong against illegal aliens he would have refused to sign this into law, never mind the fact that this was a horrendous piece of legislation to begin with.

And then you have him in past interviews giving his support to amnesty at the federal level. Only reason it didn't matter then is because he wasn't President of the United States when he said it right?

You want to look at his history? Well just look at his history as a flip-flopper. It throws everything he's done in the past out the window. That right there should give you pause as to what he truly intends to do once in office.

Just for the sake of facts .......... the Massachusetts health care law didn’t give anything new to illegal immigrants that they didn’t have before Gov. Romney signed the bill into law (no new laws were included in the bill that were specifically designed with illegal immigrants in mind). Furthermore, federal law requires all hospitals to treat illegals that seek emergency care.


Personally, I don't agree with Massachusetts health care law but for the sake of keeping the discussion honest ........ nothing new was included in the law to cover illegals that wasn't already there under the old health care law.

To my knowledge Romney has not flipped his positions on amnesty, tuition for illegals, border security, or driver's licenses for illegals. Also, let's not forget, he supported Arizona's law. Wouldn't it be nice if Obama could say the same?

Originally Posted by MW

Just for the sake of facts .......... the Massachusetts health care law didn’t give anything new to illegal immigrants that they didn’t have before Gov. Romney signed the bill into law (no new laws were included in the bill that were specifically designed with illegal immigrants in mind). Furthermore, federal law requires all hospitals to treat illegals that seek emergency care.


Personally, I don't agree with Massachusetts health care law but for the sake of keeping the discussion honest ........ nothing new was included in the law to cover illegals that wasn't already there under the old health care law.

To my knowledge Romney has not flipped his positions on amnesty, tuition for illegals, border security, or driver's licenses for illegals. Also, let's not forget, he supported Arizona's law. Wouldn't it be nice if Obama could say the same?

That was the excuse Romney's campaign used right? That it was already in the old health care law, so Romney couldn't have POSSIBLY done anything about it. Well he could have introduced a provision to deny coverage to illegals. But no, at that time it was not political expediant to do so, he wasn't running for President so why go through the trouble. Federal law requires illegals be attended to in the ER, but it says nothing about providing other health care services such as those provided by clinics.


Regarding Arizona's law, has he finally taken a position on the Supreme Court's decision to strike down three of the provisions in the law he supposedly supported, but that he probably wants to distance himself from now? Instead he makes generic statements about state rights without ever directly addressing Arizona's law.




And here's him back then on comprehensive immigration reform. A man short on principles it seems.


Mitt Romney Supported Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants - YouTube




In conclusion, he's all over the place on illegal immigration and so we cannot exactly find comfort in that if he's elected President he will be strong on the issue.


As I've said, he'll need to address this issue soon, but don't be surprised if he says something you don't want to hear, I know I won't.




And I don't care about Obama. The only good thing he's done was voicing support for gay marriage and even then why did he wait so long? Ah, but of course, because it's politically convenient. He's failed on everything else, so no one here is voting for him. I'm focused on Romney and the Republican party's complete and utter inability to stand on principle.


The lesser of two evils mentality is frankly getting annoying and tiresome and what is driving this country into a ditch.

Last POTUS election, I held on to voting for "principal" and voted for Chuck Baldwin. If I could have built a perfect constitutional candidate, it would have been him. Yeah, I knew he didn't stand a chance, but I also knew McStain didn't either. It was obvious Barakula would win.

This time it's different. People are PISSED off at Obama, I can't think of one person in my circle of friends and family that approve of anything he's done. Romney has a chance, and I feel WE have a better chance of him listening to us if we scream loud enough. Obama just does what ever he damn well feels like and I really resent that. I will hold my nose and vote for Romney.

Although I don't agree with his positions on immigration, I feel he can and will listen and he's got the experience of a business person to run this county like a business. The economy is a shambles and we need that experience right now.

Gay marriage, abortion, etc...they are all "wedge" issues and truthfully don't matter a tinkers dam to someone who is out of work and/or competing with illegals for scarce jobs!

Originally Posted by SicNTiredInSoCal

Last POTUS election, I held on to voting for "principal" and voted for Chuck Baldwin. If I could have built a perfect constitutional candidate, it would have been him. Yeah, I knew he didn't stand a chance, but I also knew McStain didn't either. It was obvious Barakula would win.

This time it's different. People are PISSED off at Obama, I can't think of one person in my circle of friends and family that approve of anything he's done. Romney has a chance, and I feel WE have a better chance of him listening to us if we scream loud enough. Obama just does what ever he damn well feels like and I really resent that. I will hold my nose and vote for Romney.

Although I don't agree with his positions on immigration, I feel he can and will listen and he's got the experience of a business person to run this county like a business. The economy is a shambles and we need that experience right now.

Gay marriage, abortion, etc...they are all "wedge" issues and truthfully don't matter a tinkers dam to someone who is out of work and/or competing with illegals for scarce jobs!

Barakula. Lol. Had to explain to my friends what I was laughing at. Thanks. I think I'll use that one.

Anyways. Most of the people in my school would have turned their back on Obama had Ron Paul been given the chance to run against him. It is clear they are disappointed in his stance on drugs and the wars overseas which are costing us billions of tax dollars and blood. We on the other hand are tired of his entire presidency and so we have at least one thing in common.

But for the love of god, we cannot go from a socialist president to one that will run this country like a "business". He'll drive it into the ground all in the name of appeasing our foreign creditors in China and Saudi Arabia. We'd go from one extreme to the other and that is not what this country needs. And last time I checked, many businesses hire cheap illegal/legal labor all in the name of cutting costs because that's what running a business is all about. This ends up screwing the American worker. Wouldn't be hard to believe Romney has this in his head somewhere and hence his terrible position on illegal immigration.

Originally Posted by googler

Barakula. Lol. Had to explain to my friends what I was laughing at. Thanks. I think I'll use that one.

Anyways. Most of the people in my school would have turned their back on Obama had Ron Paul been given the chance to run against him. It is clear they are disappointed in his stance on drugs and the wars overseas which are costing us billions of tax dollars and blood. We on the other hand are tired of his entire presidency and so we have at least one thing in common.

But for the love of god, we cannot go from a socialist president to one that will run this country like a "business". He'll drive it into the ground all in the name of appeasing our foreign creditors in China and Saudi Arabia. We'd go from one extreme to the other and that is not what this country needs. And last time I checked, many businesses hire cheap illegal/legal labor all in the name of cutting costs because that's what running a business is all about. This ends up screwing the American worker. Wouldn't be hard to believe Romney has this in his head somewhere and hence his terrible position on illegal immigration.

Haven't you read anything I've posted to this thread? Where do you get off saying Romney is terrible on illegal immigration? He may not be everything your or I want him to be on the issue but he's far from terrible! I noticed you support gay marriage. Perhaps, deep down, that's why you find Romney so distasteful ...... could it be?

Originally Posted by MW

Haven't you read anything I've posted to this thread? Where do you get off saying Romney is terrible on illegal immigration? He may not be everything your or I want him to be on the issue but he's far from terrible! I noticed you support gay marriage. Perhaps, deep down, that's why you find Romney so distasteful ...... could it be?

I have, have you? He is terrible on illegal immigration because he cannot clearly state his stance on the Arizona law decision nor what he'd do about Obama's policy change to the American people. The fact that he is being vague on illegal aliens and the military is potentially traitorous. Perhaps he fears alienating the illegal alien bloc? Either he is a complete idiot or the people running his campaign are. At this point I can't tell. As others have stated, at least with Obama we know he stands on the wrong side, Romney looks to me like he considers illegal immigration a low priority. Perhaps it's understandable since he's never had to deal with it personally, so what does he care? If he wasn't running for office, he'd have ignored the fact that the landscaping company he contracted employed illegals. Those at the top don't care all the while we in the middle get screwed over.

Perhaps you noticed I support gay marriage because, I've said a couple times before, that is perhaps the one and only issue Obama and I can agree on (as much as I hate to say it), and even then he's clearly using the issue for political gain to energize his base. If he were to end the wars overseas that would another agreement, but sadly neither of these two persons are bright enough to understand our troops would be better used protecting our borders at home then another country's.

Originally Posted by googler

I have, have you? He is terrible on illegal immigration because he cannot clearly state his stance on the Arizona law decision nor what he'd do about Obama's policy change to the American people. The fact that he is being vague on illegal aliens and the military is potentially traitorous. Perhaps he fears alienating the illegal alien bloc? Either he is a complete idiot or the people running his campaign are. At this point I can't tell. As others have stated, at least with Obama we know he stands on the wrong side, Romney looks to me like he considers illegal immigration a low priority. Perhaps it's understandable since he's never had to deal with it personally, so what does he care? If he wasn't running for office, he'd have ignored the fact that the landscaping company he contracted employed illegals. Those at the top don't care all the while we in the middle get screwed over.

Perhaps you noticed I support gay marriage because, I've said a couple times before, that is perhaps the one and only issue Obama and I can agree on (as much as I hate to say it), and even then he's clearly using the issue for political gain to energize his base. If he were to end the wars overseas that would another agreement, but sadly neither of these two persons are bright enough to understand our troops would be better used protecting our borders at home then another country's.

In my over 50 years of life I've been around the block a time or two and consider myself fairly well seasoned where politics are concerned. How about you, have you been voting for over 36 years? If so, you should have some idea of how the game is played by now. While it's important to win over your main voting block, in this case Republican voters, it's also important to appeal to the Independent voters. With that said, a very important rule in politics is to avoid antagonizing your enemy as much as possible because it will only serve to force them to the polls against you. Every Obama voter that stays home on election day is a victory for Romney. Many former Obama voters, mostly Independents, have already had enough of Obama and will switch their vote this time around. As for hardcore liberal voters ........ well, there isn't much you can do with them except hope some of them have lost interest in Obama and decide to stay home on election day. Now there is some real money to be made on the black voting block this time around. I'm feeling that the newness, and Obama's failure to help their situation, will keep many of them home this year. Additionally, many in that voting block are very disturbed at Obama's support of gay marriage and that too will keep many of them home because they will not vote Republican (generalizing). Remember, the black voting block turned out overwhelmingly in favor of Obama last time around. This year I'm thinking that wont be the case (I'm hopeful many will stay home).


You don't antagonize a dog because he will bite you, nor do you reveal your hand in the middle of a game. I honestly don't think Romney's strategy is a bad one. I say keep the opposition guessing just long enough to get in the White House and than reveal your hand on immigration. All the signs of where Romney stands on the issue are there for anyone that cares to look. Remember, strategy is all about gaining a position of advantage over your adversary. If being vague on certain details helps to keep the enemy calm and docile ....... so be it. For some reason you seem to think his vagueness is an attempt at keeping something from us when in reality it is probably to keep his plans from the opposition ...... smart play.