Thread: We must find a way to make peace between two groups....

Originally Posted by googler

Ah a smart play indeed. A smart play to disappoint those on our side that are tired of waiting for a candidate that will finally take a stand and put his/her foot down on illegal immigration. He rather concern himself with not pissing off a population that is not supposed to be in this country than those of us (the majority of the country I may add) that want illegal immigration addressed after decades of neglect? Really??? You're right, there are plenty of youtube videos of him supporting amnesty, so it's all our there for you to see. I'm only 24 years old and so I'm surprised that someone such as yourself who has lived far longer than me is still tolerating this crap. Jeez, wake up already man.


By the way, so where was this so called smart play when he opposed Obamacare? Did he not supposedly now antagonize the other side? Why can he take a stand on issues such as supporting Israel, opposing gay marriage, obamacare etc. but not illegal immigration? Why not remain vague on everything and say, "Elect me and find out where I stand on all the following issues! It'll be a surprise!". What's so special about illegal immigration over other issues that it warrants this marvelous strategy of vagueness?

I've tried my level best to give you a clue of what's going on but you refuse to listen. He has taken a stand on illegal immigration, you're just not paying attention because everything isn't as specific as you and some other would like. Well, I've already explained the possible reasoning behind that. He has said repeatedly that he does not support amnesty. Furthermore, his words and actions prove he doesn't support the Dream Act and driver's licenses for illegals. Oh, and he has also said he fully supports attrition through enforcement. For goodness sakes, he even said the Arizona law should be a model for the country. By the way, there aren't a number of youtube videos of him supporting illegal alien amnesty. Actually, he has said over and over again that he does not support amnesty.

Just for the record, any conservative voter knows it would be a kiss of death for a Republican running for President not to openly oppose gay marriage and Obamacare.

Originally Posted by MW

I've tried my level best to give you a clue of what's going on but you refuse to listen. He has taken a stand on illegal immigration, you're just not paying attention because everything isn't as specific as you and some other would like. Well, I've already explained the possible reasoning behind that. He has said repeatedly that he does not support amnesty. Furthermore, his words and actions prove he doesn't support the Dream Act and driver's licenses for illegals. Oh, and he has also said he fully supports attrition through enforcement. For goodness sakes, he even said the Arizona law should be a model for the country. By the way, there aren't a number of youtube videos of him supporting illegal alien amnesty. Actually, he has said over and over again that he does not support amnesty.

Just for the record, any conservative voter knows it would be a kiss of death for a Republican running for President not to openly oppose gay marriage and Obamacare.

Oh I'm listening, but you're trying hard to explain away his recent actions as some sort of "smart" strategy to not infuriate the other side. If there is a strategy, it is to remain vague on the issues so he can then pick whatever side he thinks will help him later on! Both Obama and Romney are similar in that regard. He'll say he's against outright amnesty, but then he'll also want to give concessions to the other side. There everyone is happy! Now vote for me. There's your so called "smart" strategy.


When he goes to speak to Americans one on one, funny how he simply states his supposed opposition to amnesty, but stops short of going into the "but" of his position. There's always some sort of catch to these fools' positions. When he did an interview with a newspaper, he stated, in a rather confusing way, his position. The reason so many people are unsure of where he stands on the issue is because of statements like these.


"I don't believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country. With these 11 million people, let's have them registered, know who they are. Those who've been arrested or convicted of crimes shouldn't be here; those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship, as they would from their home country. "


So those that haven't been convicted of crime are differentiated from those who have? What's the difference when we're speaking about people unlawfully here no matter what their behavior was during their stay in the country. And register them? For what? If you're going to seek a policy of getting them out of this country, why are you going to register them for? Fast forward to present day, and we get more generalities and confusing statements from him on Arizona's law decision by the SC and on Obama's policy change. It's clear he is doing this to leave wiggle room for himself, so that in the coming months he can announce, say, a pathway for children of illegals without being lambasted for flipping sides.


And Illegal immigration is as much a conservative issue as those other issues, yet Romney chooses to put it in the back seat. You can ask him now what he thinks of gay marriage or abortion and he'll give you a straight answer, but ask him about what to do with the children of illegals and he won't give you straight up honest answer. He's working the details out with his campaign how to best reward them all the while apparently saying he's against amnesty.