Thread: We must find a way to make peace between two groups....

Originally Posted by MW

No, he has never said he supports amnesty. Have you seen this video: Romney in 2007 on Immigration and Amnesty - YouTube or this one: Romney clarifies immigration position - YouTube ? By saying illegals shouldn't be getting a special right or deal basically means they should go home and apply in the correct manner. Is this the contrary view you're seeking? Romney never said he endorsed any amnesty plan put forth by McCain or Bush.

Here are the transcripts for those videos,

For the first,

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They said THE ISSUE is illegal immigration and it's an important issue. clearly we want to welcome people into our country legally but we do not want to say to twelve million people who come here illegally that they all get to stay. That's simply not fair, its not the right course, and that's why I oppose amnesty in any form and will fight to make sure that we respect the law, we keep legal immigration alive and well but we stop illegal immigration.

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And here is the second,

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Romney: I've said that people who come to the country illegally should not have a special pathway that is preferable to those that stand in line in their home countries to be able to come to this country. They should not have a special preference with regards to becoming a permanent residence or citizen.

Q: Governer, do you draw a distinction between somebody who has been here twenty five years, and as speaker Gingrich said last night, a member of their church, a tax paying member of the community? Do you draw a distinction between those individuals and people who have come more recently?


Romney: You know there is going to be great interest in finding how far we can apply amnesty and I just think we make a mistake as a Republican Party to try and describe which people who have come here illegally should be given amnesty ... to be able to jump ahead of the line of the people who have been waiting in line. My view is that those people who have waited in line patiently to come to this country legally should be ahead in line and those people who come here illegally should not be given a special deal or a special accelerated right to become a permanent resident or citizen.

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Now in the second video, he somewhat carelessly poses amnesty as being an accepted platform in the Republican Party. He also poses illegals as being in some "line" to become permanent residents or citizens. This is clearly careless and really needs further clarification, especially compared to the previous video from 2007. I guess the second video was sometime this year, 2012.

Originally Posted by pkskyali

Here are the transcripts for those videos,

For the first,



And here is the second,



Now in the second video, he somewhat carelessly poses amnesty as being an accepted platform in the Republican Party. He also poses illegals as being in some "line" to become permanent residents or citizens. This is clearly careless and really needs further clarification, especially compared to the previous video from 2007. I guess the second video was sometime this year, 2012.

I can't find anything to suggest that Romney thinks Amnesty should be "an accepted platform for the Republican Party." Please be specific in providing the information. I believe the "line" he's talking about for illegals begins in their own country. It amazes me how some folks will attempt to pick apart anything they consider questionable but seem to completely ignore the positive things he has said repeatedly and the actions he has taken as a Governnor to fight illegal immigration.

http://2012.republican-candidates.or...mmigration.php

Being a Californian and retired from the High-Tech Industry this is a little observation to Googler and MW. Having watched and read Googler's blogs he reminds me so much of the young engineers that I have worked with over the years. The same reason that attorney's don't like High-Tech people, especially engineers on a jury. They have a tendency to see things as black or white, there is no grey area.

I think Googler wants to see facts for himself as to the truth of Romney's feelings towards illegal immigration. Vagueness or the grey area does not solve the issue and Googler becomes fustrated. Unfortunately we are dealing with people and politics which can be more complex then machines.

Originally Posted by MontereySherry

Being a Californian and retired from the High-Tech Industry this is a little observation to Googler and MW. Having watched and read Googler's blogs he reminds me so much of the young engineers that I have worked with over the years. The same reason that attorney's don't like High-Tech people, especially engineers on a jury. They have a tendency to see things as black or white, there is no grey area.

I think Googler wants to see facts for himself as to the truth of Romney's feelings towards illegal immigration. Vagueness or the grey area does not solve the issue and Googler becomes fustrated. Unfortunately we are dealing with people and politics which can be more complex then machines.

You're right. I attribute googler's naive attitude toward politics to his youth. Right or wrong, that's my personal observation. Honestly, I was more like him than I care to admit in my youth ...... that is where politics is concerned. However, I am now much older, and I'd like to think wiser, these days.