Thread: WE'RE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED

We can't rest, we must go on the offensive and drive legislators hard for change.
The courts can't be allowed to control us, the Congress can go after legislating Judges, we need to push Congress to do exactly that.




WE'RE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED ON IMMIGRATION CONTROL By Cynthia Tucker
Sat Oct 13, 7:58 PM ET



During the fractious, months-long immigration debate, Big Business hid in the corridors of Congress or ducked behind closed doors, afraid to say in public what it whispered in private: We need illegal workers. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and its allies didn't want to be blasted by conservatives seeking harsh measures against undocumented immigrants.

The dirty little secret is this: Several important sectors of the economy depend heavily on low-wage workers, many of whom are in the United States illegally. And employers in those sectors, which include agriculture, hospitality and construction, don't really check carefully to learn whether their workers have proper documents. They know that if they insist on hiring only legal workers, they won't be able to get crops harvested or houses built or motel rooms cleaned.

Now, a White House crackdown on illegal immigrants has forced Big Business out into the open. Joined by the AFL-CIO and the American Civil Liberties Union, a coalition of business groups, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and small-business associations, went to court to stop the Bush administration from implementing an initiative designed to ferret out undocumented laborers and punish employers who use them. Last week, a federal judge issued an injunction against the crackdown, warning that it could also harm law-abiding workers and employers.

So we're right back where we started: Employers can continue to hire and exploit illegal workers, paying them poverty-level wages while ignoring health and safety regulations. And those workers still have little hope of becoming citizens.

Earlier this year, a pragmatic congressional compromise on illegal immigration dissolved in a miasma of political cowardice, jingoism and lackluster presidential leadership. A bipartisan group of senators worked for months on a plan that would increase spending on border protection, penalize employers who hire illegally, and provide a winding route to citizenship for illegal immigrants who worked hard, learned English and paid fines. But after a backlash from the right-wing fringe, some of those same senators backed away from the deal.

Perhaps the compromise legislation could have been salvaged if Big Business had been willing to mount a highly visible public campaign in support of it. If poultry processing giants and titans of agriculture had appeared in TV ads supporting immigration and gone on talk shows to confront the likes of Lou Dobbs -- who has made a new career of xenophobia -- the bill might have passed. It was in their interests to do so, since it would have allowed many undocumented laborers to keep their jobs.

But Big Business, playing the percentages, declined to step up. When you're making billions off of illegal immigration, what's to reform?

After the immigration bill failed, President Bush promised stronger measures to patrol the borders and punish employers who hire illegally. In August, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced a new initiative to send letters warning employers about any worker whose Social Security number didn't match the agency's records. The employer would have 90 days either to verify the worker's Social Security number or fire him. Employers flouting the law could face stiff fines.

But U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer of San Francisco noted that Social Security's records are full of errors and could unfairly target legal workers. He also blasted the administration for failing to conduct a survey of the costs of the new rule to small businesses.

If the records of the Social Security Administration are that badly flawed, they need to be fixed -- in a hurry. Not only has poor record-keeping hampered efforts to curb illegal workers, but it will also lead, inevitably, to false accounting. Those records remain the best way to spot undocumented laborers.

And penalizing illegal employers remains the best way to curb illegal immigration. Mexicans, Guatemalans and Koreans come to this country for jobs. If they learn those jobs are no longer available, they'll stop coming.

The worst thing to do is retain the status quo: exploiting illegal workers for wretched pay while refusing to give them a path to citizenship. That's un-American.


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They know that if they insist on hiring only legal workers, they won't be able to get crops harvested or houses built or motel rooms cleaned.

Completely unsubstantiated propaganda. You will hear this same drivel time and time again from the elitists. They feel that if they say it enough over and over again, you will believe it as true and factual. Translation: business wants to be able to hire illegal workers becuse of the "cheapness quotent." Hiring legal workers would entail raising wages and gasp! providing some modicum of benefits and gasp! possibly some employer supported health care.

What the heck does "jingoism" mean???

jingoism: an aggressive attitude combining excessive patriotism and contempt for other countries. (Oxford American Dictionary).

motel rooms cleaned

My nephew does this at the Holiday Inn...Yes you heard me right, my nephew.

jingoism: an aggressive attitude combining excessive patriotism and contempt for other countries. (Oxford American Dictionary).

Thanks 2Step. I didn't know the word existed.

By the way, I used to clean hotel rooms too. However this was about 16 years ago before that "trade" got overrun with illegal workers.

Originally Posted by SicNTiredInSoCal

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By the way, I used to clean hotel rooms too.

[Globalist Liar] Impossible. That is a job Americans won't do. Besides, even if you DID clean hotel rooms, your wages made hotel rates unaffordable, and would make the hotel chain go out of business. [/Globalist Liar]

Originally Posted by Sovereign

Perhaps the compromise legislation could have been salvaged if Big Business had been willing to mount a highly visible public campaign in support of it.

Yes, if their money can but American politicians, why not buy the loyalty of American people as well?

If poultry processing giants and titans of agriculture had appeared in TV ads supporting immigration and gone on talk shows to confront the likes of Lou Dobbs -- who has made a new career of xenophobia -- the bill might have passed.

Bull sh*t. They were AFRAID to debate Lou. For if they had, the amnesty legislation would have been even MORE unpopular after Dobbs intellectually destroyed them in front of a national audience.

The worst thing to do is retain the status quo

OBL talking point #4, section 8, verse 5.

exploiting illegal workers for wretched pay while refusing to give them a path to citizenship. That's un-American.

Depressing American wages in un-American. Forcing American to pay for illegals health care, education, livelyhood, and incarceration is un-American. And illegals (by and large) are un-American. The Chamber of Commerce is un-American. And you, Mr. author guy, are un-American.

So we're right back where we started: Employers can continue to hire and exploit illegal workers, paying them poverty-level wages while ignoring health and safety regulations. And those workers still have little hope of becoming citizens.

Utter nonsense! First, they have no desire to become "real" Americans. They only want the benefits of citizenship. They have no loyalty to this country, and have nothing but contempt for its laws and citizenry.

Furthermore, we are NOT obligated to grant citizenship to those who have disregarded our laws by entering this country illegally. They are criminals.

If they don't like the working conditions and wages, return to their countries of origin, and stop destroying ours. We have had enough!

For many of the powers that be, doing nothing is the solution to getting ever more illegal cheap labor to come here and work for slave wages while our jobs are challenged more every day.

Every time we knock down another piece of ugly new legislation plan A continues in full effect.
That means its just a matter of time before enough foreign associated voters institute open borders and some form of even worse migrant biased government.


If any migrant can just move in, make babies and stay, why then should they care, about assimilation, respecting our traditions, live by our morals or care about obeying our laws?

Why should their children grow up to love and protect the unity of America when their parents hate us to begin with? Why should immigrants of any status respect us or our beloved Nation when we don’t respect ourselves enough to fight for our own Nation’s unity and security?

To ensure invasion success.

All we need do is nothing, I’m sure it will be (relatively) painless and there isn’t any need to worry, our children, our grandchildren will just be citizens of another nation.

For us the gentle soft night will envelope our regretful souls and carry us away, so that eternity will see our contribution as so much dust, playing about, to no great effect.

If we allow it to happen.