Thread: We've been duped by the House and Senate

The government of for and by a very small minority of the populace has already pondered the possibility of mass unrest.

That is why, over the years, with one study leaking out to the public back in the early 1980s, the bureaucratic lackeys polled the military to determine to what extent they would fire upon their fellow citizens inside the homeland.

Rockfish? Of COURSE the elections are already rigged...have been like unto forever. That's PART of the knowledge we have gained...knowledge we must apply if we're ever to regain any control.

That's a discussion that we've already had here on this forum months ago.
I don't remember the name of the thread, unfortunately.

RR

If one thinks elections are rigged now, just wait.....how many think those Latino and other foreign organizations will line up the illegals and get them fake documents to vote with?

I expect a real mess.

I've not been up on my daily news, was curious if this bill is still in the stages of being voted on

4437 has PASSED the House but is in the process of going to the Senate. I THINK Frist said that they were going to start their "immigration reform" in February.

AuntB--your post on Norquist all the way back to 1997 was excellent.

Now, consider this fact we just learned recently.

Grover Norquist is Chairman Emeritus of the Islamic Institute in DC and shares offices with this institute he founded.

People, we are in it up to our necks.

Now, consider this fact we have known for some time.

17 of the proposed hijackers were Saudi Arabians, yet we invade Afghanistan and then Iraq.

Now, consider this fact we have known for some time.

The Bush family flew the bin Laden family out of the United States when no one else could fly in or out.

Now, consider this fact we have known for some time.

Bush never meets with the Prince of Saudi Arabia in the White House, only at the Ranch, his private property, when he is on vacation. You do that when you are conducting personal business, not official business.

Now, consider this fact we have known for some time.

The US House of Representatives passed an Anti-Terrorism Bill that increased the Bounty on Osama bin Laden and Zarqawi to $50,000,000 from $25 million in March of 2004...soon to be two years ago. It then moved to the US Senate in late March of 2004 and was assigned to the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee...where it has SAT to this day, buried in committee.

We are spending over $1 Billion a day in the name of the "global war on terror" losing American lives and maiming thousands of others yet the US Senate won't increase the Bounty to catch the guy they tell us is the person who orchestrated 9/11 and leads the war on terror?

Now consider this fact we learned yesterday:

The CIA performed a hit on a hideout in Pakistan that was supposed to have the Al-Qaeda Number Two Guy, Zawahiri. It was announced that 18 people were killed and that Zawahiri was the target. This was early yesterday morning. By last noon, it was confirmed that only 17 were killed. By late afternoon, it was confirmed that the one that got away was the target, Zawahiri. Now, think about that. How does Zawahiri get separated from this group he's hiding out with in the hills of Pakistan right before a CIA hit and is the only one to escape?

People...we have two operations running at the same time within our own government. One that is for us and one that is against us. That's how 9/11 happened. That's why we can't and won't fnd Osama bin Laden or Zarqawi or Zawahiri. That's why we are in a total state of Ironies and Opposites. There is a government within our government. And Bush is running both. It is the epitmome of subterfuge to deceive the American People about everything that is happening in our own country; in connection with the invasions; in connection with 9/11; in connection with illegal immigration; in connection with FTA/WTO; in connection with everything associated with the vital interests of the United States.

WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON?

We're being taken out.



They need Osama, they need Zarqawi, they need Zawahiri. We're probably funding all three. They need turmoil in the Middle East to sustain the wars and the costs of these wars to increase the national debt; to isolate our troops from US; to indoctrinate them while they are away so that when or if they ever come home they have a new attitude; a new belief structure. They'll use Iran to keep them there...wait and see. They are being told we are the cowards; we are the selfish ones; we don't want to share; we don't see the future; we don't understand Globalization; that we are the traitors for not supporting the war any longer; that we are quitters; that we don't "get it"; that we are "dissidents"; that we are the enemy to world peace, freedom and democracy.

Now, think about this fact we've known for 4.5 years:

Our air defense system with a very specific protocol for hijacked commerical airlines did not function once with 4 opportunites on 9/11.

The plane that hit the Pentagon selected the one section out of 8 that would fail to destroy the Pentagon and involved a nearly impossible maneuver to hit that section without crashing first into I-395. If you are a terrorist with the desire to take out the Pentagon, you would not select this section or this maneuver. They told us that one of the reasons they suspected these hijackers was because they did not complete the "landing" part of the flight training. The pilot of the plane that hit the Pentagon required extensive "landing" training to be able to perform that maneuver which brought the plane in at ground level requiring highly practiced landing skills to perform without either flying over the Pentagon or crashing into I-395 which is elevated and right in the pathway of a dive into this section of the Pentagon.

HB 4437 will likely end up in a committee of the US Senate like the bill from the House to raise the bounty on bin Laden and Zarqawi. The US Senate is only 100 people. 55 voted for CAFTA knowing full well the consequences of CAFTA and the other 37 Free Trade Agreements they've ratified. Remember CAFTA originated in the Senate by mistake because it had an appropriation attached to it, it should have originated in the House because all bills with appropriations are supposed to commence there. That's why after the House passed it, it had to go back to the Senate for a second vote. The second vote passed as I recall by 57 to 42. It picked up 2 votes in that process.

They did that to scare the House. With an approval already in hand and on the books from the US Senate, that enabled Senators in favor of CAFTA to also work the House members--if you don't support CAFTA, then I'll not support your Bill Blah Blah. Then with the President and Vice President roaming the halls of the House DURING A VOTE, "hard ball" was in play probably on an historical basis.

The "government within the government" controls the US Senate.

It will take everything we've got and alittle more to get HB 4437 through without a Guest Worker Program. It would be in our interest to kill the bill rather than have it pass with a Guest Worker Program. We need a strategy. We need 40,000 Americans on the Border. We need the Minute Men. And we need to figure out how to raise the money to pay them so they can stand the guard in teams per mile to guard that border, every mile of it 24/7/365. If we raise the money ourselves, we probably can't raise enough to pay $20 an hour but maybe people would do it for what we can raise. We need to think quickly about how to do this....or we will have civil war as others have suggested. And we have to get this organized before HB 4437 gets to the US Senate. Once it passes with a Guest Worker Program, we can't stop anything. This is the hazard of "new laws" to enforce laws that aren't being enforced by a Renegade Government.

People, we are in it up to our necks

At the very least...up to our necks.

RR

My EYEBALLS are BULGING.

The "government within the government" controls the US Senate.

And therein lies the problem. It has been stated all along that even if the Senate does pass it, they will take out certain parts and add their own. The president has refused to sign it without a guest worker provision which amounts to amnesty for 20 million illegals! This isn't new information because it was said from the very beginning.

I'm convinced that because the House Reps are more likely to have their smaller number of constituents looking them in the eye that they are more likely to vote for the things their people want. The bigger they get the less they care for what the real world operates like. That is why we need to get those senators out of there -- yesterday!

As for the president, who cares what he does. The Senate can legally veto his veto if we can convince them that we are going to railroad every one of them out of office if they don't. We can't stop and we can't give up.

I have a feeling they are going to try to sneak in the vote on this one before the people have time to react. Write or call them daily--even on the week end-- to make sure they know what we think. Tell your friends to write. Don't let up. I'm serious.

They did this for a Patriot Act extension in October figuring they were gonna pull one over. Don't let them do it again with 4437 OR the Patriot act which has been extended only until Feb 3. Don't give up.

VERY good point, JJ. I hadn't THOUGHT about them pulling the wool over our eyes like they did the Patriot Act Extension. We CANNOT AFFORD TO LET UP FOR A MINUTE.