Thread: Where the true racism resides

I had two different conversations the past couple days with two people regarding sb1070. It was very revealing, and elucidated to me what seems to be the driving dynamics of all the frothing hatred (not from where the agitprop media lapdogs portray it, either).
First I was talking with a friend who is Hispanic (a naturalized citizen originally from Mexico, actually). He loves being here, worked VERY hard to become a member of our society, and did it the legal way. He is in support of this bill- as I am given to understand is the case with many hard-working Latino CITIZENS. He did express some strong concerns that 'profiling' may happen anyway, despite the safeguards and assurances made. He stated these concerns reasonably, intelligently, and not once did he use the word 'racist' to describe the lawmakers who wrote and signed this. We did disagree on a few minor points, but did so maturely and without rhetoric. As a well educated, reasonably intelligent indepedently thinking individual, I have respect for intelligent, rational debate and discourse, even if there isn't 100% agreement on every minute aspect (individual dissent is one of the hallmarks of a healthy, free society anyway, in my opinion).
So, another conversation with an acquantance- well, not so much a converation as a rabid searing indictment on my character for not BLINDLY protesting this bill with all the visceral passion I could muster! Not once were any of my valid and researched facts considered, and the only response really was "GESTAPO POLICE STATE" and RACIST RACIST RACIST. This from a White person! Funny, the darker skinned person who really might be targeted by sheer mistake or happenstance didn't once refer to any of it as racist, but the seething Ivory Tower white uberlib used that as the sole argument. I had to point out that if the so-called 'immigrants rights' action groups (LA RAza. MALDEF, etc) were SO concerned about the plight of the Latino worker, why do they not act for change in their home countries? (puzzled pause....then 'thats racist, and nativist! etc) PAthetic, but very enlightening.
Really brings to light the massive social engineering really driving this illegal immigration situation, and it scares the hell out of me.

There is a lot of "white guilt" out there. It's pathetic and disgusting if you ask me!

Originally Posted by SicNTiredInSoCal

There is a lot of "white guilt" out there. It's pathetic and disgusting if you ask me!

Its part of the indoctrination into the New World Order/Global Communism and the attempts to destroy white anglo American and white anglo European bloodlines. They do not believe people will volluntarily come together. They want to force it and in the process destroy the natural diversity and cultures that made each group unique.

Would appear to me that the 25 million illegals that the government admit to having here, who actually knows the real count.
I read a couple of years ago in a Costa Rican paper while visiting, There are 50 million illegals here in the U.S. maybe some reurned?

I have always thought that if the illegal 25 million returned to their own country and stood up for their rights like Amecias do..

Think of the changes they could make... to their own counties!
But it is always easier to run.....than face the real problems at home..

Why doesn't the Raza group work on something constructive like organizing these people to stand up and demand rights in THEIR OWN COUNTRIES.

Instead of trying to change ours! Which as far as I can figure is why they came her to begin with...

As far as my fellow citizens are concerned, I feel the racism card and the play on white guilt has been so overused that people are beginning to be immune to it.

When people are constantly being accused of being racist only because they are white and they may disagree with the progressives, the accusation in itself is racist and becomes nothing more than a cheap attack. The great race struggle is nothing more that a ploy to keep up the us against then necessary to politicians and people that seek power.

When peoples from other countries and do not have any allegiance to this country except for a free ride and they are being supported by their own government - that is a different story.

If 30 to 40 Ukrainians million showed up pouring through the borders and having babies on Medicaid in order to drop an anchor to receive public monies while the men worked for cash under the table, they would be illegals and should be deported. If they brought a huge drug problem and narco drug cartel with them and Ukraine Government set up over 50 consulates and hired legal teams to protect their citizens form our laws, they would be government sponsored illegals under the jurisdiction of their own government and I would feel the same way. What racial excuse would they have?

I still believe that people are judged by their character and contribution, not their ethnicity. So far the illegals here are showing very little of either quality necessary to gain respect.

The largest percentage are from Mexico, the consulates are Mexican, the narco gangs are Mexican. JMO

Think of the changes they could make... to their own counties!
But it is always easier to run.....than face the real problems at home..

But.....follow the money! The money is HERE. The political power is HERE!. That is why La Raza and Maldef and LULAC et al do not protest in the home countries of illegal aliens. That would take risk, courage, an actual belief in the cause all with little or no chance to benefit financially and politically from the effort.

It still amazes me that this issue is being labeled a "race" issue. Just what "race" is mexican? Just what race is Guatemalan? Just what race is Filipino?
Just what race are "illegal aliens"?

Darned if I know...we have illegal aliens from some 70 countries around the world. This is an issue about illegal aliens violating the laws of this nation knowingly and willingly not one of race. The race card is always pulled when you have no valid argument. They have no valid argument for being here illegally and using forged documents and/or working off the books for cash.

Solving this problem does not require new legislation it requires strong border security, workplace enforcement where the employers are actually held accountable and receive stiff jail sentences, and the welfare magnets are removed. We also need to remove the anchor baby amendment.

Barry needs to ease off and drop any push right now especially with the backlash about health care. But he won't he must do this before the dems take a beating at the polls in November.

Personally, I do not have "white guilt". It seems so ridiculous to be ashamed of something we did not do (our generations), or to feel guilty because some of our ancestors came here, settled this land, made it great, although some of those made huge mistakes in their handling of issues along the way.

Here is my personal beliefs, in alignment with nationalities, borders, and why things are they way they are right now:

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

(Read Genesis 10:1-32, but 32 is the end result shown)

Genesis 10:32 ¶ These [are] the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

Deuteronomy 32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

God gave us all an "inheritance", lands with borders. Then the argument abounds about how the lands of America played into that. Most believe that it was certainly "destiny" or more commonly refered to as "divine providence" (God's will). Those that are liberal, or atheistic, would rather say that was not so. I believe is was "in the cards" for us to come here, and settle this nation as a place where God could be freely worshipped, this is the reason why He opened this nation up for us.

White guilt? No, I do not have any, and never will. I, and my ancestors have not committed any criminal or immoral act upon anyone else. We have worked hard and helped form this nation into what it is. Some have died attempting to bring peace to this nation and to others. We haveno shame in that, and those who want us to feel shame simply need to sit down and shut up. The majority in this nation (not just white either) want to see more states adopt such laws as this, sending people back to their own nations.

Print this page out and hand it to your friend:

http://immigrantrightsfoundation.org/aboutamnesty.html

Don't say anything just ask what he thinks about it.

But.....follow the money! The money is HERE. The political power is HERE!. That is why La Raza and Maldef and LULAC et al do not protest in the home countries of illegal aliens. That would take risk, courage, an actual belief in the cause all with little or no chance to benefit financially and politically from the effort.

I completely agree with you. The "leaders" of these groups live very well and enjoy a lifestyle of power. What else would they do for a living is not for this.