Thread: Why are we paying for a Border fence in Egypt?

As far as I am concerned this is one of the greatest crimes I have seen thus far. I say with the utmost confidence that Israel and our Federal Government have stolen $23 million dollars from the American people. How is it that in an instant, a foreigner could obtain money and expertise to build a border fence? This is THEIR business not ours. And even greater is the fact that they have railed on and on and on about refusing to build a fence, that it will not work, that it would serve no prupose. Our own government voted to build it and voted against funding it. They have built a canonical of anti-wall rhetoric. You can ot run with the foxes and hunt with the hounds.

I would beseech everyone to spread this. The minute we go silent on this single issue is the minute we begin to die. We cannot let this stand. Even Harvard published a study that AIPAC makes us work against our own interests. Alas this isn't an argument about Israeli influence but more of an argument about our treachorous leadership. How can $23 million be extended so promptly? How can they pursue such a policy? I would like to know AIPAC's/Israeli governments influence on the prevention of a border being constructed in the United States.

We cannot let up on this. If we do we will throw it all away. People have stated before, such as the racist Abe Foxmann that there is a myth of Israeli influence on US policy, that those who believe so are racist (racist meaning anyone lacking a hammer and sickle tattoo on their neck). So then if this influence did not exist, how can their government force our government to act against its very own strong positions in opposition to wall building? It would seem to me if they had no influence then there would be no possible way for their government to change our governments opinion on such a strongly held belief. So there are only a couple of possibilities on the matter. Either Israel has a functional influence on our government, they dictate what we do. Or, our government has finally expressed its true intentions. The Federal Government hates its own people. Those in charge of our nation hold us in the greatest contempt and wish us only harm, tho' they have not the courage to do it themselves. In the end, it was their jack boot that pressed down upon the throat of Dani Countrymen. It is the federal government that has blood on their hands in every single case of illegal atrocity in this country. Every single one! If it is true that Israel weilds no influence then this simply amplifies the Federal Governments hideous nature. If they do weild influence then they have blood on their hands as well. I will not rest until I not only have answers, but that the order to construct a fence in Egypt is rescinded and our money returned. The government must also apologize to us about the ordeal and instantly take the funds and apply them to our own fence. Think I am kidding? I would challenge the Federal government to press me more. Poke me with that dainty badgers stick and see if they don't get a Lion. This is a line in the sand for me and while it may come off as bravado, I will be compensated for this you can believe it. Bravado turned tangible in the hands of the capable can drive a stake into the heart of even an iron beast. We must fight this on the grounds of its obvious atrocity!

Below is a contact list for the Army Corps of Engineers. I have already engaged in this, but if possible please call/and or email them with some questions.

Here is a sample email sent to me as a template focusing on the success of such an endeavor:

I am was displeased to find out that the Army Corps of Engineers were being sent to build a border fence for Israel utilizing American tax payer dollars to the count of $23 million. Most especially when our government will not build a fence here in the United States making the claim that it cannot work. I am interested to note if this is also the feeling of the Army Coprs of Engineers. Is the claim that a border fence is not possible derived from Army Corps of Engineer counsel? If not, how then will you be able to build a fence knowng it will not work?

Hopefully you can feel the American publics astonishment.

You get the idea. I would like to get the Army Corps of Engineers opinion on record as to whether or not a fence could work.

Here is the contact information:
ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS

Headquarters, USACE
441 G Street
Washington, DC 20314-1000
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Originally Posted by Chosen

Israel has a tremendous amount of influence it appears on our government decisions. This organziation basically runs our policy:
http://www.aipac.org/about_AIPAC/default.asp

Thanx Chosen. I am aware of AIPAC. In my view, it is part of the reason we are in Iraq.

What do you know about it? I found out by talking with a friend today that it has more funds than some large municipal governments...

Originally Posted by Chosen

What do you know about it? I found out by talking with a friend today that it has more funds than some large municipal governments...

I learned about them from internet sites like these. A car forum's political site is where I first heard of it. I started to study different issues regarding our conflicts in the middle-east, why we reflexively support Israel, how that effects our foreign policy. I believe that they have lobbied the government to give Israel 3 billion dollars a year -- the worlds largest foreign aid gift. It is very similar to the immigration issue. Powerful lobbies buying off politicians to direct US policy. IMO, our policy towards Israel is very similar to the immigration problem. And this case makes that issue glaringly ironic.

Here is an article from Pat Buchanan from a year ago:

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=693

[quote]March 20, 2007
PJB: The AIPAC Girl
posted by Linda
by Patrick J. Buchanan

If George W. Bush launches a pre-emptive war on Iran, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will bear full moral responsibility for that war.

For it was Pelosi who quietly agreed to strip out of the $100 billion funding bill for Iraq a provision that would have required President Bush to seek congressional approval before launching any new war on Iran.

Pelosi’s capitulation came in the Appropriations Committee.

What went down, and why?

“Conservative Democrats as well as lawmakers concerned about the possible impact on Israel had argued for the change in strategy,â€

Article updates:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25940

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=P ... geId=60900


This project is set to begin in 1.5 months.

anything dealing with Israeli security is paid for by the U.S. we are their lapdogs.

Rest assurred that if the Mexican border was somehow affecting Israeli security it would have been sealed off IMMEADIATELY.