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    WILLIAM: Question about Gulf oil spill disaster

    Friends,

    I have two questions about this disaster in our gulf.

    One, does anyone know (or can you find) the approximate PSI of pressure the oil flowing out is exerting upward?

    Two, why don't we just start lowering large concrete blocks onto the ocean floor around the oil column and then stack them up like a pyramid around the oil column with the top block having a release valve and pipe going to the surface and into a tanker?

    Or perhaps even one very large concrete piece that is concave shaped with a pipe through the top we can use to control the oil upward to a tanker?

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    This was the only reliable info I could find. The rest are blogs and I dont know if they know what they are talking about or not. Note that this article is dated May 13. I highlighted the PSI in redPrint

    A volcano of oil erupting
    May 13, 8:11 AM · Sterling Allan - Breakthrough Energy Examiner
    The following article was written by my associate, by Paul Noel with some editing and input from me.

    New video showing largest hole from pipe 21-inches in diameter spewing oil and natural gas at ~4 barrels per second, along with analysis of the amount of oil on the surface, supports the estimates closer to several million gallons per day erupting from this hole BP popped in the ocean floor that contains a vast amount of oil and natural gas.


    Errata 5/16/2010:
    We originally reported that the main hole was 5 feet in diameter, spewing an estimated 4 barrels per second, with a possible total approaching 1 million barrels/day. The pipe is actually 21 inches in diameter; and the high end estimated total leakage is in the range of 3.4 million gallons/day (Ref.). We deeply regret the error.


    Screenshot from John Wathen's video of the oil devastation. Here is shown some large vessels trawl around the huge Development-Driller-III which is drilling a side hole to reduce pressure or to plug up the hole dug by Deepwater Horizon. This is expected to take 2-3 months, considering hurricane season coming.

    Mainstream reports are starting to discuss the fact that the oil slick rising from the oil well blowout in the Gulf of Mexico simply has to be a whole lot larger than first reported.

    My first report on this stated that the total could easily be 5,000 barrels per day. I said this when the report was that only 1,000 barrels per day was the stated total. I was being cautious because I knew the total was much higher and I knew the public would not believe the real totals. Most people simply could not imagine a well of the size involved.

    Now I will discuss the real facts that are known and what the educated guesses on the topic indicate. Prepare to get your jaw off of the floor. The facts are stunning.


    Pre-Drilling Estimates and Assurances

    BP estimated a spill of 165,000 barrels per day would not even reach land! That is what they told the US Government before they drilled the well. They had excellent science on their side, which you can begin to comprehend when you understand how oil reacts in salt water, as we will briefly discuss below.

    The fact that the spill has reached land clearly states that the size of the spill is probably well above 200,000 barrels per day. Yes, that's BARRELS, not gallons. There are 42 gallons per barrel.

    To get a full estimate we have to look at the process of sinking an oil slick and count money. A newly released video of the larger of the two leaks also contributes to our understanding of a minimum estimate of the flow erupting from this man-induced volcano of oil.


    When An Oil Spill Originates on the Surface

    Here is what happens when oil hits the salt water. If it is poured on top of the sea, oil begins to do several things. First some of it dissolves in the salt water. This dissolving is a bit limited but amounts to several percent per day of the spill exposure to the ocean. Some of the oil evaporates. This is several percent per day. This slows over time. As the oil dissolves and evaporates the parts that do this are primarily volatile fractions. These are things like Gasoline and other light components that go away pretty quickly. Once these are gone the remaining oil is heavy fraction crude. This begins to sink into the water very slowly, eventually falling to the ocean bottom over about 6 weeks. Typically this floats into an area where the shoreline is and embeds about 18 inches deep in the sand. This buried oil is not harmless. Just because the beach might appear on the surface to be clear, the sub-surface oil continues its toxic work. It locates precisely where the little sea creatures live, and it goes on killing them for about 10 years.

    The reason a slick would carry farther than predicted is that the salt water is saturated with oil and the air around it is saturated, so the slick cannot dissipate. In the case of the BP Gulf leak, the size of the slick and the location of on shore oil say this slick represents at least 2 times the amount of oil BP estimated would never reach land -- or 330,000 barrels per day, minimum. This is an educated guess, borne out by aerial photos and the like.


    When Oil Shoots Up Through 5000 Feet of Salt Water -- Fractionating Column

    In the case of the BP underwater hole, the slick is not being poured on top of the water. It is coming up from the ocean bottom that is 1 mile deep at that point. That fact raises stunning questions on how big the well releases are.

    Rising through 5000 feet of water, the oil is going through a process that the oil men call Fractionating. Literally the tremendous pressure and temperature issue are the equivalent of taking the oil and boiling it in a cracking tower 5000 feet high. The oil and Natural Gas change on their way up. The very light, easy-to-evaporate parts are all that is rising to the surface.

    The heavy oil isn’t even getting to the top. That oil is losing its volatile fractions and is being dragged along with the rising column into the surface water where it is probably distributing as tar balls that are not being skimmed up or burned or otherwise dispersed.

    In fact the chemicals added at the well head to disburse the oil, speed this process up. This oil is mixed into the water for the top 250 feet or so. Salinity and temperature issues probably keep this oil from ever reaching the very top of the water. The exact behavior here will not be known until studies are published some years from now. This is the first time humans have encountered a deep ocean leak of this magnitude. We're in uncharted territory here. Volume per volume, it is highly probable that due to this fractioning, this oil blowing into the ocean from a mile down is causing far more ecological trouble than a surface spill of similar size.

    It is also certain that the slick volume on the surface is substantially lower than the rising column of oil. This is a key point to bear in mind. Because of this fractioning, what you see from the air on the surface of the water represents maybe just 20% of the volume of the various types of oil in that area. And we're talking an area the size of Maryland (10,000+ square miles) that is on the surface. The remaining 80% is under the surface; and all of it is highly toxic to the living organisms encountered.

    All of this brings into serious question the volumes of oil rising. Every factor suggests massively higher numbers than what has been commonly reported.


    Video of Slick

    Here is a video that Alabama resident John Wathen shot as a volunteer pilot flew him over the area where the Deepwater Horizon oil rig sank. He said, "It's not a leak, it's a volcano spewing oil."


    (YouTube; May 10, 2010)


    As we watch this, and see other photos and videos from the air and ground/sea level, we can agree with Wathen's comment: "The Gulf appears to be bleeding," which is chilling, considering the prophecy in Revelation 8:8: "The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze [appearance of the burning rig and slick], was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed." Most ships cannot travel through oil-infested waters without damage, any more than jets can fly through volcanic ash-infested airways.


    Budgeting an Oil Rig

    There is also another factor that says that the numbers are vastly higher than published to date. That is money. The BP investment in this well is very high -- close to a billion dollars. They must earn over $5,000,000 a day off of the well in order to pay back their investment. (That was before the explosion, and doesn't count the cleanup costs, etc)

    They were, until the well blew, extremely happy with the well. In fact, on the day of the explosions, executives were on board celebrating the well's success.

    This well had to produce over 60,000 barrels per day in order to break even. Shocking as it seems, this well would have been closed in and disposed of had it produced a minor total like 20,000 barrels per day. That would have been a "Dry Hole"! It wouldn’t have paid for the pipes to bring the oil to market. The fact that BP management was aboard the rig and very happy, celebrating, just prior to the explosion says the well probably produces more than 200,000 barrels per day. It might well have produced 500,000 or more. Royalties to the US Government multiply the numbers for break even by about 2:1 so 500,000 barrels per day is very realistic. And that is what they would have been celebrating while things were under control.

    With this in mind, remember that this well is running wild. A wild well produces far more than a well during normal production. This is why it is so dangerous. The conclusions for how much is coming up are simply unbelievable.


    Natural Gas

    The Natural Gas emissions are stunning as well. As you watch the film remember the pipe is 5 feet in diameter.

    The Natural Gas doesn't just bubble to the top of the ocean and release into the air. It is absorbed into the water, like air is absorbed, and actually creates oxygen depletion. Hence, the emission of natural gas of these volumes into the sea is producing a significant area of Oxygen depleted water in the Gulf of Mexico which may be very large threat to fisheries and other wildlife in the area.

    Never forget this point. The spill was "Impossible" by the view of the oil men prior to this. The biggest cost of the spill cleanup is being borne by the US Armed Forces such as the National Guard etc. None of these costs will ever be paid by BP. These costs will appear in taxes not in the price of oil. Alternative Oil is vastly cheaper and safer than this.


    Video from Largest Leak

    Below is a video of oil spewing from the larger two holes. As you look at this, it might seem like a small hole, and a small amount of oil. But bear in mind that the diameter of the pipe is 21 inches.


    Oil and gas stream from the larger of two existing leaks on the riser of the Deepwater Horizon well on May 11. (CNN, via YouTube; May 12, 2010)

    What Could Yet Come

    This is not a system in stasis. This is an out of control volcano of oil spewing up with between 20,000 and 50,000 psi behind it, from a reservoir nearly the size of the Gulf, with an estimated trillions of barrels of oil and gas tucked away. It is this deposit that has me reminding people of what the Shell geologist told me about the deposit. This was the quote, "Energy shortage..., Hell! We are afraid of running out of air to burn." The deposit is very large. It covers an area off shore something like 25,000 square miles. Natural Gas and Oil is leaking out of the deposit as far inland as Central Alabama and way over into Florida and even over to Louisiana almost as far as Texas.


    The oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico could be stopped with an underground nuclear blast, a Russian newspaper reports. (Slashdot; May 11, 2010)

    What we are seeing now could be small compared to what may yet unfold if things break apart, as they can do under such circumstances. If this thing blew, it could be like the Yellowstone Caldera, except from below a mile of sea, with a 1/4-mile opening, with up to 150,000 psi of oil and natural gas behind it.

    That would be an extinction event.

    It is not likely to happen, but it is within the realm of possibilities.

    That's the kind of stuff we're playing with here.

    When we humans go tinkering around with this stuff, it is like the movie of men flying space ships to asteroids and setting off nuclear bombs to deflect them from hitting earth. Except in this case, setting off a nuclear bomb on top of a veritable volcano spewing oil from what is presently a relatively small hole in order to shut if off, doesn't seem like a very good idea.


    Postscript

    There is no way to get the size of this in mind. It is just too big to imagine. The slick is now as large as Maryland and growing. It will grow probably for 90 days or more. Even if contained tomorrow it will set the record for biggest in history.

    Here is a fairly safe estimate of the economic damage to tourism, fisheries and the like in 3 US states. (AL, MS, LA) Over the next 10 years this will cost about $1 Trillion Dollars. BP will not pay this. This does not count damage to ports and trade generally. There is no way out now. What do Texas and Florida get ??? How about the east US Coast or even parts of Mexico? Does this go all the way damaging England and the northern EU? It certainly will not stop with just 3 states.

    Imagine how much alternative energy work that would have produced. Now it is all waste. Now we must do it while it is hard. Imagine how easy it would have been a year or two ago when it was argued it was too expensive.

    We have to turn around from this way and never look back. Freedom, prosperity and happiness will not be found in that eruption of oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

    Some might think that I am against the oil industry. Actually I view them [rig workers, not execs] as some of the bravest most heroic people we have ever seen on earth. I have to say this plainly. I am in awe of many of the things they accomplish.

    I just know that we must get a brighter future. This one has no hope.


    Epilogue

    The Transocean rig drilling right now to relieve the well is drilling a 28 inch well ASAP. The just spudded in the well and are already a mile down. (Ref.)

    They are trying a smaller well to go fast. It isn't 21 inches per the report you are hearing from others. The numbers on the Transocean rig are for the drill pipe size. The inside hole of the drill pipe is 18 inches and the outside is 21. The platform numbers are for a 60.5 inch drill platform opening. This is what fits the outer casing. It is used to torque the casing down into the well. The platform is used at the turntable to torque the well drill pipe.

    I have seen lots of these wells. They are really 5 feet in diameter. It sort of shakes you up to see something that big.

    http://www.gulf-shores-alabama.net/gulf ... sland.html
    You want to see some look at the pictures. That platform I have been right there around it several times. The ferry is fun. Everything I described is on the Gulf High Island 2 rig and some associated production platforms. This is very old technology dating from the late 1970's and early 1980's. The oilfield service launch here is 250 feet long and looks like a tub toy next to the rigs. (in the pictures for the ferry) I have similar pictures. The field came into production about 1992 or so. I have been around the launch and where it docks.

    They drill these wells often decades before they use them.

    We have about 9,000 square miles of oil out there. My only question to doubters is how big of a house has to fall on you. The stuff is really big out there. When one compares this to Exxon Valdez it is important to understand that this is an open water spill with wave action to disrupt it. The water temperature is in the 80 degree range causing much more rapid degrading of the oil than in Prince William Sound. There have been massive efforts using disbursant compounds in this spill. There are many many factors that are different. This is light crude rather than heavy crude. It reacts quite differently.

    The real question should be why people want to believe so low numbers. A spill of 10,000 Gallons is 328 barrels and is just one tanker delivery truck. Your local gasoline station can drain one dry in a few minutes with gravity. They claimed the spill was equal to 3 of these early on. You could have lost that much oil in a few waves out there. Increasing that to 15 a day still is so trivial that it would have been of no concern. You could stop up such a leak with nothing. It wouldn't be anything to stop a leak of 5,000 barrels a day. That is a trivial oil well size. 5,000 barrels a day is about equal to spilling one tanker truck every hour and 15 minutes. That would be a simple chore to shut off. Please get your head on here. Your local gasoline station unloads a tanker truck at about 5 times that rate. River barges hold like 5,000 barrels of oil. Sink one and it makes a modest slick in the Mississippi river.

    Spilling that much crude oil in the Gulf of Mexico off shore like this would never even come to mind at 5,000 barrels per day. BP was entirely right in their report to the Minerals Management Service that 165,000 Barrels Per day would never even reach land. This slick is coming ashore now. The well is belching about 300,000 barrels to 400,000 barrels per day. That is beyond doubt.

    The reason there was no safety plan has many reasons but one of these was the company figured it was impossible to bring ashore a slick from that far away. The Gulf of Mexico is vast. It soaks up many things.


    May 15 Update and Correction

    Take a look at the May 15 story in the New York Times: Scientists Find Giant Plumes of Oil Forming Under the Gulf.

    This represents the oil per my prediction including the distillation that I told you was happening with the tar balls. The stunning implication is that I was wrong in quantity and the leak may in fact be much larger than I said. My curiosity has to do with the motion of these mats. Will they sink or will they warm up and float up somewhere? Big surprises and not fun ones could be in store. I sort of suspect they will hang around and wander for a while and then rise to the surface. (Only a suspicion-- Lets hope it doesn't happen!) Round and round they go, where they stop nobody knows.

    Just one mat the size described represents over 240,000 barrels per day over the entire spill duration and the article implies more than one of these! We are absolutely safe to say I am totally confirmed on oil volumes and then some. The article suggests 4 or 5 such mats. If this is so the gush could easily have exceeded 1 million barrels of oil per day.

    I can safely say now that if there was any doubt of what I was saying about the leak there should be no doubt now.

    On a side note: I just learned from Alabama sources that the situation is far worse than is being portrayed. No facts to describe this except that qualitative analysis.

    Sterling the riser is in fact and I was wrong on the size it is a 21 inch riser. Sorry to all but none the less it is massive. Even if the pressure were 20,000 PSI shouldn't that about be Sci-Fi to most people. You don't want to stand in the way of that for sure. I suspect based on the mat sizes that my pressure statements are correct.

    The facts are that BP has just kicked out into the ocean a spill that is much more than equal to Exxon Valdez every day for 18 days now. It could be 3 times that every day.

    I will say it now and without any reservation: The heads of BP, Haliburton and Transocean should be arrested and tried under the Common Law for crimes against humanity and against nature itself. On conviction they should be executed for their crimes as a monument to corporate management that you should never consider to do such evil deeds again. What has happened here is beyond war crimes. It is absolutely evil what they have done. Silence and no action on this licenses more disasters to come.

    BP testimony before Congress states that their worst case was 60,000 Barrels per day. That estimate is at least 7 times too low to account for the now observed facts. I am assuming only one such mat exists for this estimate. I can only guess based on this that my estimates could be low by a very wide margin. I am definitely not high at all.

    My apologies for any errors that may have allowed distraction, but this situation is vastly out of hand.

    I think if you realize that one mat described is about 1.7 cubic miles in size, and the well keeps on blowing and easily could do this for years, you get a hint of the size of the oil deposit under the Gulf of Mexico. At this rate the Deposit could deliver in 1 year something in the order of 35 cubic miles of oil. It could blow for a decade or more if it is not stopped. It isn't anywhere near out. I just hope they get it corked up shortly. That relief well they are drilling could blowout too!

    I told you there was a "dragon" down there! [Symbolism] I have warned people that he has only nipped us. [Symbolism]

    This is by no means the limit of this deposit. You could get many times this much out of the deposit. The facts that have now come to light should absolutely settle once and for all the following facts.
    [1] There is no energy shortage.
    [2] The oil men have been manipulating us terribly for decades.
    [3] That solving the energy needs of the world using oil is too costly and unbelievably dangerous for us in so many ways that only a crazy person would try.
    [4] Alternative energy is a much better option.
    [5] If I was wrong it was because I was too conservative. ...

    A warning here: The removal of 2 cubic miles of oil from this deposit is setting us up for a sea floor collapse. We could see earthquakes, tsunami and worse. We may get by with very little or no problem but the risk grows each passing day. I do not want to predict such. I only say they are possible. Action at Petronius nearby has in the past caused 4.0 earthquakes and near Atmore Alabama they also caused similar earthquakes. I think the shifts and energies there were actually much lower.

    Please note the discussion of depletion of Oxygen in the water columns in the article. This spill is going to assassinate sea life in massive quantities. Unaccounted for in their studies is the massive quantity of natural gas escaping which is probably even more damaging in this respect than is the release of oil.

    I know I have sounded insane to some. I wish I was wrong. I wish above all things that this could get stopped up and we could at least begin the process of recovery.

    Sterling: It was a bit of hyperbole that this could kill all life in the oceans but now it seems more like the plague in the bible where a 1/3 of living things in the sea died and the sea became as blood. I am not trying to say it is that bad, but it is awful. People have to understand the massive dangers here.

    All of this having been said, I am not against deep sea drilling. I am in favor of strict safety management of the oil drillers. I am in favor of being more careful. I have nice words to say about the heroism and bravery of the oilmen who risk their lives in trying to get us oil. I am dead set against the killing of our earth in a reckless mad rush for saving a few dollars on the way. We demand safety of our Airlines, how much more should we demand of these people.

    A painful analysis of the energy situation has to be made. Mankind must turn away from oil but in turning away it will take 50 or 60 years to make the turn. Until that time we will need oil. This is something that will take much time and effort. It is the work of lifetimes. I have supreme confidence that we have the ability to do this. But even the best solutions require much time. We have to start the journey. It is time for us to head for the land where we will be Beyond Petroleum and not with BP. Wasting time here only assures more sorrows.

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    Oh...I forgot the link for the above. Here it is:

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    BP says being so far underwater is why it is so difficult to control.

    The latest try,which started last night,is to shoot heavy mud into the pipe which worked in the Gulf War but has never been tried before in deep water.

    They say it is slowing the oil but will not know for a few days if it will fully stop it.There is a danger to this approach,BP reports,if it does not hold and blows it could make the oil surging out worse.
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    On TV last night they had an expert from UC Berkeley who said even if the mud into the pipe works (and per a report on AOL today it has), that does not mean the problem is solved, because of the pressure within the tube makes it likely that it will just burst at other places.
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    Re: WILLIAM: Question about Gulf oil spill disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by ALIPAC
    why don't we just start lowering large concrete blocks onto the ocean floor around the oil column and then stack them up like a pyramid around the oil column with the top block having a release valve and pipe going to the surface and into a tanker?

    Or perhaps even one very large concrete piece that is concave shaped with a pipe through the top we can use to control the oil upward to a tanker?
    Interesting that you suggested this. I submitted the following idea to
    deepwaterhorizonresponse.com last Sunday:

    Construct a concrete right cone housing unit with an open base and open vertex to cover the entire well area to which a tube/pipe or series of tubes/pipes can be inserted into the vertex for siphoning oil.

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    W, good question. Redpony, excellent article. Personally, I am really hoping that this disaster is the catalyst to FINALLY get repubs and dems to consider alternate fuels. Oil is sooo 1900!! There are so many other things to use instead, but the oil companies have had their hands in the pockets of out politicians for so long, nothing has happened. It is time to change, and I hope the fact that we have no seafood will do it. God has shown us what to do, and it us up to us to do it.
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    oil spill

    Ia am a certified professional diver and have some knowledge here and the biggest problem they are dealing with is the depth, 1 mile, 5000 feet,
    Everything that is sent down there most withstand the extremely high pressure, see below formula to give you an idea, what you can do on land mostlikely is not possible at one mile deep!

    Formula:


    One atmosphere will balance the pressure of 33ft of water. Therefore, if you go 33ft deep into water, the pressure increases by one atmosphere -it increases by 15 pounds per square inch (psi).


    Pressure equals depth times 15 divided by 33


    For example, if you go 66ft down under water, thats 30psi pressure.


    For one mile down (5280 feet), calculate:


    5280 * 15 / 33 = 2400 psi (over a ton per square inch!)
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    It seems as though they are testing theories since this has never happened like this before...and as far as I am concerned they could care less about the people being affected by this....

    "Scientists find vast unreported oil leak from Deepwater Horizon"
    BP video shows oil and gas gushing 5,000 feet below the sea's surface
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    :A plume of oil 10 miles (16km) long, three miles wide and 300ft thick is pouring into the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico from the ruptured Deepwater Horizon oil rig.

    The plume is one of a number that scientists have found gushing into the sea a mile underwater, increasing concerns that the size of the spill could be thousands of times larger than has been previously calculated, according to The New York Times.

    “There’s a shocking amount of oil in the deep water, relative to what you see in the surface water,â€

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    I had an Idea on stopping the flow... Pump Liquid Nitrogen into the well.
    Keep it Froze until something can be used to Cap it.
    I think it would work, it does create INSTANT Popsicles.
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