Thread: Harsh words for doctors treating birth tourists

Harsh words for doctors treating birth tourists

Chris Ingalls, KING 5 News5:37 p.m. PDT September 25, 2015


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A noted medical ethicist has harsh words for local doctors who are treating so-called "birth tourists."

"I think it's clearly unethical," said Dr. Arthur Caplan. "It's not something we support so doctors, hospitals (and) nurses should have nothing to do with this."

Dr Caplan, an often quoted Professor of Medical Ethics at New York University, commented following a KING 5 investigation into a profitable birth tourism company that was recently uncovered in the suburbs east of Seattle.

Fu Hua Enterprises operated two multi-million dollar "maternity houses" in a Newcastle neighborhood. The company charged wealthy Chinese families a minimum of $45,000 for a three months stay. It helped make travel arrangements, provided luxurious lodging and arranged medical care here in the Northwest at hospitals like Overlake in Bellevue.

The Fu Hua website sold Chinese clients on the medical care they can receive at Overlake.

A former employee told the KING 5 Investigators that the women were coached to lie about their pregnancies to gain admission to the US. But he said once the women were on American soil, they were truthful with their doctors about the scheme to have a child delivered in the US.

"It's against our professional ethics to condone practices that are basically illegal," said Dr. Caplan.

Caplan says medical professionals have a duty to report immigration fraud, just as they would report a gunshot wound or suspicions of child abuse to the authorities.

The women typically travel to the US on tourism visas, and conceal their "baby bumps" with heavy clothes.

An Overlake hospital spokesperson did not respond to requests for an on-camera interview.

In a statement, Overlake officials said "We were not aware of this website. As medical professionals, we do not take inventory of how or why a pregnant patient has come to us."

The former Fu Hua employee told the KING 5 Investigators that clients always paid their full bill with cash or credit card before they returned with their baby to China.

Dr. Caplan said they may be one reason the doctors didn't ask many questions of their foreign patients.

"If you're paying cash and the care is fairly lucrative in terms of making money, you might not be so eager to ask questions," Caplan said.

http://www.king5.com/story/news/loca...ists/72835104/

9/22/15

http://www.alipac.us/f12/bellevue-co...-women-323569/

Question. Is it illegal for foreign pregnant women to enter the US?

Originally Posted by Judy

Question. Is it illegal for foreign pregnant women to enter the US?

It is illegal to lie to a federal agent when they ask you if you are coming to the U.S. to have a baby.

Making false statements

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Making false statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001) is the common name for the United States federal crime laid out in Section 1001 of Title 18 of the United States Code, which generally prohibits knowingly and willfully making false or fraudulent statements, or concealing information, in "any matter within the jurisdiction" of the federal government of the United States, even by mere denial.^[1] A number of notable people have been convicted under the section, including Martha Stewart,^[2] Rod Blagojevich,^[3] Scooter Libby,^[4] Bernard Madoff,^[5] and Jeffrey Skilling.^[6]

This statute is used in many contexts. Most commonly, prosecutors use this statute to reach cover-up crimes such as perjury, false declarations, and obstruction of justice and government fraud cases.^[7]

Its earliest progenitor was the False Claims Act of 1863, and in 1934 the requirement of an intent to defraud was eliminated to enforce the National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933 (NIRA) against producers of "hot oil", oil produced in violation of production restrictions established pursuant to the NIRA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements

Originally Posted by Judy

Question. Is it illegal for foreign pregnant women to enter the US?

U.S. Customs and Border Protection

Securing America's Borders


CBP INFO Center



Visit the U.S. while pregnant and the risks involved

Can I visit the U.S. while pregnant and what are the risks involved?

Although there are no specific regulations prohibiting pregnant foreign nationals from entering the U.S., entry is allowed or denied at the discretion of the admitting U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Officer. If the CBP Officer determines that you are likely to become a ward of the government (meaning that the government must provide medical care because you do not have medical coverage), you can be denied entry.

When determining if you will be allowed to enter the U.S., CBP Officers take into consideration the date your child is due for delivery and the length of time you intend to stay in the U.S. In addition, they want evidence that you have sufficient medical insurance to cover any medical necessities while you are in the U.S. and that you intend to return home.

If it is determined that you do not have sufficient medical insurance to cover any unexpected or expected medical care while in the U.S., you can be denied entry. Additionally, if you are pregnant and entering the U.S. at a border port of entry via vehicle, be aware the radiation detection portals deployed at the ports do not emit any radiation, and do not present a hazard to you and your unborn child.

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...risks-involved

Oh, okay! Thank you so much for that information. So all we would have to do to stop this is not let them in, assuming they told the truth, and if they lied, deny a passport and social security number, and instruct the states not to issue a birth certificate based on the fraudulent entry. Wouldn't that work to stop it, at least when they're caught? I mean that's what we should be doing now with all these illegal aliens, you've violated our law, you're a trespasser, no passport, no social security number, no medicaid, and no certified birth certificate.

We don't even need a law to do this. We can do this now. I've always thought so, because there is no law that grants citizenship based just on being born here, it's based on both born here and subject to our jurisdiction and if you're here in violation of that jurisdictional law, there you are not subject to it, you're a violator of it, an unlawful invader.

Originally Posted by Judy

. . . So all we would have to do to stop this is not let them in, assuming they told the truth . . .

The entire Birth tourism industry is based on them NOT TELLING THE TRUTH.

Originally Posted by Judy

. . . instruct the states not to issue a birth certificate based on the fraudulent entry

The Feds telling the states to NOT issue a birth certificate to anyone born in their state would likely be considered a violation of states rights by many states and would be tied up in court for many years.

And the current administration is not going to do that.

States' Rights legal definition of States' Rights

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/States'+Rights
A doctrine and strategy in which the rights of the individual states are protected by the U.S. Constitution from interference by the federal government.

Originally Posted by Judy

. . . So all we would have to do to stop this is not let them in, assuming they told the truth, . . .

That is the current policy. That's what they are already doing.

"If it is determined that you do not have sufficient medical insurance to cover any unexpected or expected medical care while in the U.S., you can be denied entry."

And all they have to do to get around this ban is get some fly by night insurance company to write fake medical insurance policies that claim to cover all of their healthcare cost while they are in the country.

So, the states would have to pass their own legislation to change their birth certificate process and deny certified certificates to illegal aliens or those who violated immigration law. They can do that. Still, the federal government can deny passports and social security numbers. That is still federal jurisdiction.

It would still be best to pass Steve King's bill in the House and/or David Vitter's in the Senate that ends birthright citizenship for children of illegal aliens, and end this with legislation.

Originally Posted by Judy

So, the states would have to pass their own legislation to change their birth certificate process and deny certified certificates to illegal aliens or those who violated immigration law. They can do that. . .

The point is:
Many states would not want to change their laws
(Mainly the democrat controlled states.)

Just because YOU think up a way to do something doesn't mean that any state or federal agency is going to do it.