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06-23-2018, 09:03 PM #31
This is a very good point. Beezer and jtdc, if we bring them back to the border and drop them off, they will keep trying to get back in until they are successful. They will try a hundred times if necessary. But if we detain them, give them a hearing and then deport them, the next time they get caught in our country, it's automatic prison time. This will deter most of them right off the bat from ever trying it again.
And if we combine this with crippling fines and jail time for people who employ them, we'll be on our way to not only stopping them from coming here, but also getting rid of the ones already here.
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06-23-2018, 11:16 PM #32
Yes, they're overwhelming us because of past polices. This problem wasn't created overnight and it's not going to be solved overnight. The "zero tolerance" policy for illegals is something new and in time should help a great deal to slow the illegal alien traffic down. Geez, we haven't even given the new "zero tolerance" message time to get out there yet. Pay me now or pay me later. I'd gladly pay now so we don't have to continuing paying far, far, far into the future.
No, we won't turn this country into a prison camp. We have a lot of uninhabitable space where tent city detention centers can be built. Sounds like we also have space available and some underutilized military bases. For the asylum seekers, we either detain them until their cases can be heard or we release them into our interior with one of those stupid bracelets around their ankle to never be heard from again. I choose detention.Last edited by MW; 06-24-2018 at 01:04 AM.
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06-24-2018, 12:09 AM #33
Mexico's presidential frontrunner promises Mexicans a new goodie: Flight from his soc
Mexico's presidential frontrunner promises Mexicans a new goodie: Flight from his socialist rule
June 23, 2018
By Monica Showalter
Socialist Andrés Manuel López-Obrador, currently the frontrunner in Mexico's presidential election on July 1, has a wonderful goodie to offer the Mexican descamisados: the right to flee his socialist regime.
It's a new one, given that each Mexican presidential candidate, up until now, has always campaigned on the promise that life would be so good for Mexicans if he becomes president. You would think there would be no need to flee illegally to El Norte.
AMLO, as he is known, sees things differently. According to the Daily Caller:
Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) called for mass immigration to the United States during a speech Tuesday declaring it a "human right" for all North Americans.
"And soon, very soon – after the victory of our movement – we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world," Obrador said, adding that immigrants "must leave their towns and find a life in the United States."
He then declared it as "a human right we will defend," eluniversal.com reports.
While the election is not until July 1, Obrador is by far the frontrunner.
What kind of presidential candidate promises his constituents the prospect of illegal immigration as the "reward" for voting for him? "Vote for me, get ready to put yourself in the hands of smugglers, and then face an uncertain future as a foreigner subject to ICE raids in the U.S."? Is that it?
What an embarrassment.
Only the most cynical and revolting of candidates would do this. This reminds me of some of the awful presidents who ruled Mexico in the aftermath of Porfirio Díaz in the early 20th century, most of whom were horrible people who triggered violent civil wars and didn't seem to think there was a problem.
It's a fact that socialism always triggers mass flight, and this guy admits he likes it.
Obviously, he considers emigration from Mexico a good thing. Not surprisingly, emigration is a natural byproduct of socialist regimes wherever they are found. The rafts, after all, never sailed toward Cuba.
What's interesting about this issue is how ignorant he seems to be on the topic. The people who flee are unlikely to be the people he thinks will flee as he burbles on about "human rights." It will be the doctors, the teachers, the businessmen, the people with brains who go first, legally or illegally. Since these will be people with something to offer, it's likely they will get in legally.
As socialism progresses, the poorer classes will follow.
Here's the other interesting thing about this campaign "promise": Mexico can't afford it. It's already hit zero population and experiencing a bust. It can't, demographically, afford to lose more people. Already, Mexico is experiencing its own wave of illegal immigration from Central American countries, which should intensify after the country empties out with AMLO at the controls.
Now, AMLO feels that if he makes a hash of the economy, emigration to the U.S. should kick in as a benefit to Mexican voters and provide his government with the "safety valve" (and remittances) his government needs. Same old game the Mexican government has always played: encouraging illegal immigration as a means of warding off troublemakers who could launch protests over the state of the domestic economy.
It's also cynical towards us imagining that Mexicans will always be loyal to Mexico, even after they've been intentionally and cynically driven out by socialism. Some will. But a lot of them won't. All you have to do to estimate how this will work is ask middle-class Venezuelans, Argentines, and Cubans who've emigrated here whether they identify with their old home countries. Most will tell you they despise the places and are glad to wave the American flag here.
And it's cynical toward the very idea of citizenship, which is another oddity, given that Mexican nationality and Mexican citizenship are considered two different things in that country. The "human right" to benefit Mexicans that AMLO is promising to voters – emigration to the States – is not based on the idea of becoming an estadounidense; rather, it is based on bennies and goodies that the U.S. doles out to illegals, free of charge. Illegals coming here get free medical care, free housing, free food, free education, and a host of other benefits, costing Americans billions. So instead of offering bags of beans to voters, AMLO is offering American bennies.
It's also cynical in another way: AMLO knows that the pope, the Democrats in the U.S., and the European Union will back him in his quest for free bennies paid for by Americans for the Mexicans. That is the global establishment, and he obviously means to leverage it.
What a great future that all suggests for Mexicans under socialism. If they vote for this charlatan, they'll deserve what they get, and not just from AMLO, who will wreck all the businesses in the country as he expropriates, but from President Trump: deportations, fingerprinting, separation of kids, higher smuggler fees, and a wall.
The latter can't begin soon enough.
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06-24-2018, 12:23 AM #34
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"The 'zero tolerance' policy for illegals is something new and in time should help a great deal to slow the illegal alien traffic down." And how many more will be in the country by time that happens? How many anchor babies will be born by that time?
"Geez, we haven't even given the new 'zero tolerance' message time to get out there yet." President Trump could order the Ports Of Entry closed tomorrow. President Trump could order the military to the border tomorrow. This would give us a breather to process those we already have here in custody.
Of course the liberals would be in court the next day. But they will be in court no matter what we do. And the longer we allow these sanctuary cities to exist, the more this country will be lost. As Mark Levin said No country can survive with open borders – none. No culture can survive; no civilization can survive.
But I fear we’re reaching a point, given the demographics in this country, where it’s becoming politically more difficult and soon impossible, to fix the course that we’re on. Moreover, when you look at the federal courts, they’re largely aligned against us.
Originally Posted by MW
Originally Posted by MW
As Benjamin Franklin said "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"! Or how about his "A stitch in time saves nine."? If we don't let them in in the first place, we don't have to go through the expense of kicking them out!
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06-24-2018, 01:26 AM #35
A little to muddled and incoherent for a response from me, jtdc. Sorry.
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06-24-2018, 02:00 PM #36
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Let me try to simplify to a level you might understand!
You said:
"The 'zero tolerance' policy for illegals is something new and in time should help a great deal to slow the illegal alien traffic down."
How much time are you talking about? If it is until a new Congress is seated, that is over six months before they start working on new legislation. So it would most likely be about 9 months more.
How many more will be in the country by time that happens?
We supposedly have some 50,000 per month coming in.
How many anchor babies will be born by that time?
Under our current laws, children born to those in custody, or even on the run in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. When they reach maturity, they can bring in an unlimited number of relatives. Talk about exponential alien invasion.
You wrote:
"Geez, we haven't even given the new 'zero tolerance' message time to get out there yet."
Zero tolerance of what? We were handling adult illegal aliens separately from their children in whatever time it took to get through the court calendar. But now that children must remain with criminal parents, we have only 20 days! So the solution now is to catch and release, again. And this will remain the procedure until a new Congress is seated and can come up with legislation that works. And if the Democrats get the House or Senate, catch and release will become the law of the land. And if that Congress decides to Impeach President Trump, they will all be made citizens who will most likely vote Democratic!
Could President Trump order the Ports Of Entry closed tomorrow?
A simple "yes or no" question!
Could President Trump order the military to the border tomorrow?
Another simple "yes or no" question!
Do you think the liberals would be in court the next day?
Another simple "yes or no" question!
Do you think our country can survive with open borders?
Another simple "yes or no" question!
Originally Posted by MW
Originally Posted by MW
At present, we release bailees, convicts and parolees out with anklets to save the cost of imprisonment. If they remove the anklets, we search for them and try to get them back in custody. Can you imagine hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens added to that list? And they will find refuge among their people, making it much harder to find them.
I hope this is simple enough for you to comprehend. And I do hope you didn't include what Mark Levin and Benjamin Franklin wrote as muddled and incoherent. If so, then I would say that I am the one in good company!
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06-24-2018, 02:27 PM #37
WHEN IS TRUMP GOING TO GO AFTER THE SCHOOLS AND COLLEGES!
THEY HAVE NO "STUDENT VISA"...THIS IS DISCRIMINATION AGAINST FOREIGN STUDENTS WHO APPLY TO COME LEGALLY.
NOW GET THEM OUT OF ALL OUR SCHOOLS!
DO NOT REWARD...DEPORT...THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE IN OUR SCHOOLS WITHOUT LEGAL DOCUMENTATION.ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE "BROKEN" OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM
DO NOT REWARD THEM - DEPORT THEM ALL
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