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Originally Posted by Judy

You need a new strategy.

I am really surprised to find someone at ALIPAC who is opposed to holding Trump accountable to his campaign promises on immigration.

Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders

I am really surprised to find someone at ALIPAC who is opposed to holding Trump accountable to his campaign promises on immigration.

You aren't holding him accountable, you're jeopardizing his Presidency by risking the mid-terms. Republicans have an enormous task before them, to win the mid-terms, something that has only happened once in our history and that was in 2002 after 9/11 when a first term President kept or gained a majority in the US Congress in the mid-term elections. Winning the mid-terms, is all that matters right now, because if we lose the mid-terms and lose even one chamber of Congress, anything and everything you think you want or need just farted and flew out the window.

Originally Posted by Judy

You aren't holding him accountable, you're jeopardizing his Presidency by risking the mid-terms. Republicans have an enormous task before them, to win the mid-terms, something that has only happened once in our history and that was in 2002 after 9/11. Winning the mid-terms, is all that matters right now, because if we lose the mid-terms and lose even one chamber of Congress, anything you think you want or need just farted and flew out the window.

If he had done something about this immigration problem, the mid-terms would not be in jeopardy. If he did something NOW, that would help the mid-terms much more than his exaggerations and lies at these rallies. We want action, not more lies and broken promises.

Many of us are not satisfied to be in this perpetual election mode, and once elected they do nothing.

Trump has done tons of stuff about this "immigration problem" and there's lots more he is doing and plans to do. No President since Dwight Eisenhower, has done more or will do more. That's why when he does a Mid-Term Rally, the candidates get a Trump Bump. Can Trump alone defy history and bring these mid-terms home for Republicans? I don't know, but if anyone can, he will. So much at stake and all on the back of one guy, named Donald J Trump.

You will not turn Trump Supporters against him. That is pure folly. You will reinforce some DemoQuacks. You could jeopardize some close elections that depend on independents and hand over a chamber of our Congress to DemoQuacks. That's all you're doing, whether that is your goal or not. That is the only obvious clear outcome of your posts. If it is not intentional, then that is quite a serious mistake you are making and extremely harmful to our country.

The United States is by design in perpetual election mode, it's the way our founders set up our federal system with 2 year Congressional terms with 1/3 of the US Senate up for grabs every 2 years. I'm sorry you're unhappy with our Constitution, but that's the way it is, I think it's a very good system, the best in the world ever, even when my team loses, it is still the will of the people based on the campaigns and the elections, and that's how our government was designed to function and that's the way it is. If you lose, you either didn't do a good job getting out the message or the people didn't agree with your message. Sometimes like right now, it's a very close call across the board.

Originally Posted by Judy

Trump has done tons of stuff about this "immigration problem" and there's lots more he is doing and plans to do. No President since Dwight Eisenhower, has done more or will do more. That's why when he does a Mid-Term Rally, the candidates get a Trump Bump. Can Trump alone defy history and bring these mid-terms home for Republicans? I don't know, but if anyone can, he will. So much at stake and all on the back of one guy, named Donald J Trump.

You will not turn Trump Supporters against him. That is pure folly. You will reinforce some DemoQuacks. You could jeopardize some close elections that depend on independents and hand over a chamber of our Congress to DemoQuacks. That's all you're doing, whether that is your goal or not. That is the only obvious clear outcome of your posts. If it is not intentional, then that is quite a serious mistake you are making and extremely harmful to our country.

The United States is by design in perpetual election mode, it's the way our founders set up our federal system with 2 year Congressional terms with 1/3 of the US Senate up for grabs every 2 years. I'm sorry you're unhappy with our Constitution, but that's the way it is, I think it's a very good system, the best in the world ever, even when my team loses, it is still the will of the people based on the campaigns and the elections, and that's how our government was designed to function and that's the way it is. If you lose, you either didn't do a good job getting out the message or the people didn't agree with your message. Sometimes like right now, it's a very close call across the board.

I am only asking the Trump supporters who claim to be against illegal immigration to stand with one voice and hold Trump accountable to his campaign promises. Is that too much to ask?

Absolutely, it is too much to ask. It's also wrong to ask it. Do you not know how political and deadly the immigration issue is in this country? Why do you think Hillary Clinton won the popular vote? Trump didn't win the election on the immigration issue, Trump won the election through a solid message of fixing our country that includes among other things solving the immigration issue. He got votes for fixing the bad trade deals, he got votes for fixing the immigration issue, he got votes for bringing our good jobs back, running the government more efficiently, putting America First, lowering taxes to make our companies more competitive and bringing offshore capital back into the country, deregulation, re-opening the coal mines, approving the pipelines, forcing NATO to pay their fair share so we can spend less on their defense, he was elected for many many reasons, some people like me supported almost all of his goals, others supported two or three, and some supported one or two. Trade and immigration were important ones, but they were not winners in the high-population states, they were winners in the 30 states. Mid-terms are nationwide, not by state, they are district by district and many districts do not hold all of our views on immigration. Of all the issues, the immigration issue is the most complicated, it's the hardest one to solve and the hardest one to win a district on in high population states, blue states, and that is where we have to win to keep our majority and gain seats in the Senate which Trump wants to do so we hopefully have a supermajority in the Senate next year so we can actually pass all the bills we desperately want and need.

So yes, what you are asking is wrong and not the right thing at all on any level. Next year IF we have a majority in the House AND a Supermajority in the Senate, then everyone needs to unite behind the good bills that are in Congress and get them passed so we can fix this mess on immigration and also continue fixing other aspects of our country that need repair and improvement. Even if all that happens, there will not be "one voice" on the solutions, there is one voice on the overall goal, but as should be clear as crystal to you, not even people who have worked together to fix this mess here at ALIPAC even agree on how to do it, and that's been the case for all 13 years I've been here. The goal is simple, the traditional means to achieve it are not.

To wail and whine about this issue now is not only just plain wrong, it's dangerous. If Congress is doing something bad and they may be, they're a sneaky bunch, wail and whine at them, but not at Trump, there's nothing more Trump can or will do on our issue beyond what he's already put in place or has in motion until after the mid-terms, because nothing is more important right now and for the next 58 days but winning the mid-terms for Republicans. It must be smooth messaging and everyone working together to win those elections, because if we lose them, you just lost the country.

Originally Posted by Judy

Absolutely, it is too much to ask. It's also wrong to ask it. Do you not know how political and deadly the immigration issue is in this country? Why do you think Hillary Clinton won the popular vote? Trump didn't win the election on the immigration issue, Trump won the election through a solid message of fixing our country that includes among other things solving the immigration issue. He got votes for fixing the bad trade deals, he got votes for fixing the immigration issue, he got votes for bringing our good jobs back, running the government more efficiently, putting America First, lowering taxes to make our companies more competitive and bringing offshore capital back into the country, deregulation, re-opening the coal mines, approving the pipelines, forcing NATO to pay their fair share so we can spend less on their defense, he was elected for many many reasons, some people like me supported almost all of his goals, others supported two or three, and some supported one or two. Trade and immigration were important ones, but they were not winners in the high-population states, they were winners in the 30 states. Mid-terms are nationwide, not by state, they are district by district and many districts do not hold all of our views on immigration. Of all the issues, the immigration issue is the most complicated, it's the hardest one to solve and the hardest one to win a district on in high population states, blue states, and that is where we have to win to keep our majority and gain seats in the Senate which Trump wants to do so we hopefully have a supermajority in the Senate next year so we can actually pass all the bills we desperately want and need.

So yes, what you are asking is wrong and not the right thing at all on any level. Next year IF we have a majority in the House AND a Supermajority in the Senate, then everyone needs to unite behind the good bills that are in Congress and get them passed so we can fix this mess on immigration and also continue fixing other aspects of our country that need repair and improvement. Even if all that happens, there will not be "one voice" on the solutions, there is one voice on the overall goal, but as should be clear as crystal to you, not even people who have worked together to fix this mess here at ALIPAC even agree on how to do it, and that's been the case for all 13 years I've been here. The goal is simple, the traditional means to achieve it are not.

To wail and whine about this issue now is not only just plain wrong, it's dangerous. If Congress is doing something bad and they may be, they're a sneaky bunch, wail and whine at them, but not at Trump, there's nothing more Trump can or will do on our issue beyond what he's already put in place or has in motion until after the mid-terms, because nothing is more important right now and for the next 58 days but winning the mid-terms for Republicans. It must be smooth messaging and everyone working together to win those elections, because if we lose them, you just lost the country.

If bringing attention to illegals marching through our military bases or asking that military take action because border control is being shot at is considered wail and whine, then I am on the wrong forum.

I was under the impression that ALIPAC was about the problems of illegal immigration. I was not aware that anyone who was asking that Trump be held accountable for his campaign promises would be berated and condemned. I have run into this same problem on another forum where the Trump cult has taken over the board. Their aggressiveness has run off any and all who wanted to or tried to speak out about immigration.

Sad to see this happening here.