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    Business Week:Immigration Rules: An Economic Disaster?

    Immigration Rules: An Economic Disaster?
    Homeland Security's plan to crack down on employers will gut industries of workers and drive more immigrants underground, say opponents
    by Moira Herbst

    Employers and immigrant rights groups are speaking out against rules announced Aug. 10 by the Bush Administration requiring employers to fire workers without valid Social Security numbers. Opponents argue that the regulations, effective in one month, will create a disastrous ripple effect in the U.S. economy and disrupt the lives of an estimated 12 million undocumented people in the U.S.

    "Throwing this rock in the pond will have devastating consequences," says Craig Regelbrugge, co-chairman of the Agriculture Coalition for Immigration Reform and spokesman for the American Nursery & Landscape Assn. "The anti-immigrant crowd hasn't thought through what would happen if this entire workforce went away. Who will be there to put meat and vegetables on American dinner tables? The only unaffected group will be Americans who do not eat."

    Industries that employ large numbers of undocumented workers, such as agriculture, construction, cleaning, and maintenance, will be disproportionately affected by the rules. Regelbrugge estimates, for example, that fully 70% of all U.S. agricultural jobs are now occupied by undocumented immigrants. "There's panic right now in the agricultural sector," says Regelbrugge. "[The policy] will force employers to either fire experienced, trained workers or put their head down and hope law doesn't catch up with them."

    Clear Guidelines
    The rules, released following Congress' failure in June to pass comprehensive immigration reform, mandate that employers get rid of workers whose names do not match up with their reported Social Security numbers. Companies have 90 days after the Social Security Administration (SSA) sends out a "no-match" letter—detailing when a number submitted to the SSA isn't consistent with the name on file—to resolve the discrepancy or fire the worker. The regulations were announced by Homeland Security Dept. Secretary Michael Chertoff and Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez during a press conference last week.

    Employers who fail to comply will face fines of up to $11,000 per worker and up to six months' jail time. Administration officials also announced that they would speed up construction of fences along the Mexican border, hire more border patrol agents, and detain more undocumented immigrants caught crossing the border.

    Until now, the government did not issue clear guidelines for employers to follow upon receipt of "no-match" letters from the SSA. Under a 1986 law, employers must ask job applicants for documents to verify they are U.S. citizens or authorized to work in the U.S. Many undocumented workers obtain false identification papers in order to work. It is estimated that 75% of the undocumented population is currently working with false Social Security numbers, with the remaining quarter in the cash economy.

    Strong Reactions
    Asked about employers' reaction to the announcement, Homeland Security Dept. Spokesman Russ Knocke says he expects compliance, and the department will aggressively pursue those who fail to do so. "Everyone understands we have a job to do, and we're very serious about getting that job done," says Knocke. "Now there is an opportunity to do the right thing or the wrong thing. And if employers do the wrong thing, they're really going to regret it."

    But critics say the changes are damaging and a far cry from the even-handed immigration reform many had hoped for. "This isn't so much reform as it is a power grab from the Department of Homeland Security to do through regulation what failed in legislation," says Angelo Amador, director of immigration policy for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, like many business groups, has favored a guest worker program.

    "The bottom line is that this punishes employers for the lack of action by our legislature," says Mark Gould, president of Gould Construction, a heavy construction and highway contractor based in Glenwood Springs, Colo. "One month ago, Bush said he was for a guest worker program, and now he says, 'Go and fire them all.' The dots aren't connecting for me." Gould says his workforce of 125 are legal immigrants, but argues that businesses need more workers to have a legal path to employment in the U.S. to solve a labor shortage. His firm has 10 open positions he cannot fill.

    The agricultural sector, which depends heavily on migrant labor, may be the hardest hit. "It's going to be crazy," says Eli Kantor, a Beverly Hills-based immigration attorney: "There will be major disruptions to the economy of Southern California, [which is] heavily dependent on immigrant labor. There will be crops rotting in the fields." Kantor says he expects some of his clients to lay staff off, while he expects others will "take their chances."

    Degrees of Impact
    Others warn of unintended consequences including job losses for immigrants and native-born Americans alike. "The consequences for the economy will ripple out far beyond the individual immigrants who lose or change their jobs," says Douglas Rivlin, a spokesman for the National Immigration Forum, a pro-immigrant advocacy organization in Washington. "Businesses may close or move off-shore because of the loss of workers and the costs of compliance while downstream processing, shipping, and retailing businesses will also feel the impact. This will hurt many native-born workers who depend on these jobs—all so we can appear to be 'getting tough.'"

    Some companies say the stepped-up rules will not impact their businesses because they are in compliance with the law. "We already take action on no-match letters from the Social Security Administration," said Libby Lawson, spokesperson for Tyson Foods (TSN) in an e-mail statement. "For years, it's been our practice to actively respond when the government notifies us of a problem with a worker's Social Security number."

    Labor unions, which in previous decades sought to restrict immigration, are now speaking out in support of undocumented workers, who are among their members. "This rule change is the wrong solution to the problem," says Eliseo Medina, executive vice-president of the 1.4 million-member Service Employees International Union (SEIU). "It's a knee-jerk reaction to the failure of immigration reform in the Senate. It will cause a whole lot of misery for workers, and huge problems for the economy."

    An Informal Economy?
    Medina warns that apart from causing hardship for workers and severe labor shortages in some industries, the new rules could have the unintended consequence of expanding the underground economy. "It's going to create a cat-and-mouse game," says Medina. "Workers will be forced into an informal economy where employers pay cash and operate entirely off the books. This is dangerous for immigrants, and will only pull down wages and benefits for American workers. Bottom-feeding employers are going to have a field day with this."

    Medina says fear is spreading throughout the immigrant community, and that the SEIU is developing a program to inform workers of their legal rights. The SEIU is also in discussions with employers, cooperating at times to voice opposition to the new rules.

    In the meantime, many employer and immigrant advocates say they don't expect positive steps in immigration reform until Congress manages to pass legislation. "This thing will get worse until we figure out how to reform immigration laws," says Medina. "I'm afraid we're entering into a very difficult period."

    Herbst is a reporter for BusinessWeek.com in New York.

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    The agricultural sector, which depends heavily on migrant labor, may be the hardest hit. "It's going to be crazy," says Eli Kantor, a Beverly Hills-based immigration attorney: "There will be major disruptions to the economy of Southern California, [which is] heavily dependent on immigrant labor. There will be crops rotting in the fields." Kantor says he expects some of his clients to lay staff off, while he expects others will "take their chances."

    Eli Kantor you can cry a river for all i care. you and your law breaking employers can go get people from the already crowded prisons there in California and put them in the fields, or set up camps for the homeless Americans like you do for the illegals and let them work. Im sure they would love to have a place to live and a job.

    Boo! Hoo!
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    If Tyson is not worried, then they know they are not going to get raided or that they will be able to make their workers legal.

    There is no way anyone is going to convince me that poultry places have no illegals working for them. The government may have rubberstamped their illegals first.

    The only difference if they make them all temporary is that we don't have a prayer of getting anything done through our politicians - at least not for years and years.

    The freebies will still be there, the crime will still be there, the costs of the illegals will still be there - the demands, etc. - they will just have cut us off as far as demanding deportation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nntrixie
    If Tyson is not worried, then they know they are not going to get raided or that they will be able to make their workers legal.

    There is no way anyone is going to convince me that poultry places have no illegals working for them. The government may have rubberstamped their illegals first.

    The only difference if they make them all temporary is that we don't have a prayer of getting anything done through our politicians - at least not for years and years.

    The freebies will still be there, the crime will still be there, the costs of the illegals will still be there - the demands, etc. - they will just have cut us off as far as demanding deportation.
    Tyson, like other big companies aren't worried, they will follow the letter of the law. They can easily follow up on any number of "no match" letters. It's really very simple.

    Some companies simply discard these letters. They have never followed up on them and realize they may have a great number of illegal aliens in their work force. Until this new enforcement started, many companies simply ignored these letters and the consequences of an illegal workforce.

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    Tyson isn't going to stop hiring illegals and they aren't going to comply.

    They won't have to follow up other than fill out other paperwork making them legal.

    People, this isn't enforcement of any kind - it is permanent status for any worker their company wants to make permanent.

    We may hear of some companies having problems, those are the big ones that are contributing to politicians.

    Nothing about is will help us -
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    What Tyson does is to tell the illegals to stop working for a while and then come back when it is safe. That's what happened when Operation Vanguard was going on.

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    There is a comments section and I tried to leave a comment but it would not go through.....interesting!

    Would someone try and see if they get through,I suspect comments are being blocked.
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    They will just keep rotating fake SS#'s every 90 Days and how do you catch that?
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    What I wonder about is the millions of illegals who have crossed the border and never intended to work a day here- the illegal women who come over with the men, or without, and just start having babies here. Is there no way to verify their illegality when they show up for health care, food stamps, WIC, etc.? Illegal employers are the magnet for the men, the free benefits are what draws the women. Their SS numbers should be verified, and if fake, they should be denied benefits. So many illegals come here never intending to find employment. This must stop!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoinTheFight
    They will just keep rotating fake SS#'s every 90 Days and how do you catch that?
    Did you read the President 'new and improved' immigration action guidelines. There are all manner of things regarding foreign visa workers.

    It is my firm belief, when a non-match is found, they have 90 days to correct it - and they will correct it by our government issuing a work visa for these people.

    That is why Tyson's and others are not worried.

    It's a done deal -
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