Thread: At Chicago bakery, labor issues pit blacks against illegal aliens

That would be a problem with the employer, not the worker.

Originally Posted by Judy

That would be a problem with the employer, not the worker.

Not necessarily. If the hires were only interested in temporary positions vice long-term jobs, they could leave after a few days or weeks. I've never hired out through a temp agency, but I would imagine some of the workers aren't interested in full-time or permanent jobs. Perhaps someone more familiar with the workings of a temp agency can provide more information.

Originally Posted by MW

Not necessarily. If the hires were only interested in temporary positions vice long-term jobs, they could leave after a few days or weeks. I've never hired out through a temp agency, but I would imagine some of the workers aren't interested in full-time or permanent jobs. Perhaps someone more familiar with the workings of a temp agency can provide more information.

That would still be a problem with the employer, not the worker. Why is the employer using a "temp agency" and signing contracts with short-term part-time workers if the company wants long term permanent employees?

Originally Posted by Judy

That would still be a problem with the employer, not the worker. Why is the employer using a "temp agency" and signing contracts with short-term part-time workers if the companyt wants long term permanent employees?

Probably because the company needed immediate staffing to meet operation scheduling and goals. That doesn't mean the company didn't eventually plan on staffing with permanent workers.

Let's not forget what brought us to this point in the discussion. The article was purposely written to paint the illegals in a favorable light while diminishing the black community. You seem to be attempting to strengthening the argument for hiring illegals, while I'm attempting to show possible reasons for the large turnover in black labor.

Originally Posted by MW

Probably because the company needed immediate staffing to meet operation scheduling and goals. That doesn't mean the company didn't eventually plan on staffing with permanent workers.

Let's not forget what brought us to this point in the discussion. The article was purposely written to paint the illegals in a favorable light while diminishing the black community. You seem to be attempting to strengthening the argument for hiring illegals, while I'm attempting to show possible reasons for the large turnover in black labor.

The employer is responsible for the turnover and lower efficiency rates they are wrongfully blaming on black workers. You are blaming the black workers, saying oh maybe they didn't want full-time long-term work. I am defending the black workers. The employer is responsible for its turnover and efficiency failures, if any, not black workers.

What you are doing is affirming by possible explanations the false narrative of large turnover in black labor which isn't true, it's false. High turnover and/or lower efficiency ratings are not the fault of the workers, regardless of their race, it's the failure of management and ownership, not the work force.

Originally Posted by Judy

The employer is responsible for the turnover and lower efficiency rates they are wrongfully blaming on black workers. You are blaming the black workers, saying oh maybe they didn't want full-time long-term work. I am defending the black workers. The employer is responsible for its turnover and efficiency failures, if any, not black workers.

What you are doing is affirming by possible explanations the false narrative of large turnover in black labor which isn't true, it's false. High turnover and/or lower efficiency ratings are not the fault of the workers, regardless of their race, it's the failure of management and ownership, not the work force.

You're lost in your own argument.

I'm giving you reason for the high turnover and you're saying one doesn't exist. Well, obviously the facts would disagree with you.

It's senseless attempting a serious discussion with you.

It's not an argument, it's a fact, that employers, not workers, are responsible for high turnover and low efficiency rates.

Originally Posted by Judy

That would still be a problem with the employer, not the worker. Why is the employer using a "temp agency" and signing contracts with short-term part-time workers if the companyt wants long term permanent employees?

Companies have been using "Temp" companies, labor brokers and labor sub contractors for years to dodge any responsibility for hiring illegals. We have a lot of stuff in the archives about it.


Taken for a Ride: Temp Agencies and ‘Raiteros’ in Immigrant Chicago

https://www.alipac.us/f12/taken-ride...hicago-323614/

Related.

“All you Americans are fired.”

The H-2 guest worker program, which brought in 150,000 legal foreign workers last year, isn’t supposed to deprive any American of a job. But many businesses go to extraordinary lengths to deny jobs to U.S. workers so they can hire foreigners instead. A BuzzFeed News investigation.

Jessica Garrison BuzzFeed News Reporter
Ken Bensinger BuzzFeed News Reporter
Jeremy Singer-Vine BuzzFeed News Data Editor

posted on Dec. 1, 2015, at 5:41 p.m.

MOULTRIE, Georgia — “All you black American people, **** you all…just go to the office and pick up your check,” the supervisor at Hamilton Growers told workers during a mass layoff in June 2009.

The following season, according to a lawsuit filed by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, about 80 workers, many of them black, were simply told: “All you Americans are fired.”

Read the rest at:
https://www.alipac.us/f12/%93all-you...ed-%94-326894/

Originally Posted by Newmexican

Companies have been using "Temp" companies, labor brokers and labor sub contractors for years to dodge any responsibility for hiring illegals. We have a lot of stuff in the archives about it.


Taken for a Ride: Temp Agencies and ‘Raiteros’ in Immigrant Chicago

https://www.alipac.us/f12/taken-ride...hicago-323614/

Yes, I know. DHS and DOJ need to organize and execute a major investigation into these illegal labor networks posing as temp agencies who have been funneling illegal aliens to these job sites for at least 15 to 20 years, shut them down and pack their butts off to federal prison. It's already illegal, you don't need Congress or the Courts or E-Verify to do this. You just enforce the law and hold these horrible evil lawbreakers discriminating against black workers accountable. They're violating three sets of laws, US Civil Rights Laws, US Labor Laws and US Immigration Laws.

SHUT 'EM DOWN!!