Thread: Donald Trump administration seeks to detain illegal immigrant families indefinitely

Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders

So you think they all come here without weapons....

In a 25-minute video obtained by the Daily Caller, Chilton's cameras show a steady stream of people, including some dressed in camouflage and brandishing guns, trespassing on his ranch.

Please watch video at link

https://www.alipac.us/f12/25-straigh...-ranch-362425/

I'm sure many are armed, especially the drug smugglers, but most aren't. Most of these in the video weren't armed. The ones in charge had rifles and that's to make sure the mules don't run off with the drugs and of course to shoot an agent if they bump into one.

JUDY"S PLAN B = JOKE!

I find it difficult to believe that someone that claims to live and breath for Donald Trump would encourage him to resort to such a ridiculous and unworkable plan. Do you, as a hardcore supporter, truly wish to see Trump embarrass himself in front of the world? Trump's got enough on his plate right now without you encouraging him to bring more trouble on himself and his presidency. Not to worry, you're plan would never be seriously considered by the Trump administration.

Originally Posted by jtdc

So if you put food out for the bears, coyotes and other wild animals, and they come and trash your property and attack your animals, it's not your fault, right? We are enticing these illegal aliens to come here. IT IS OUR FAULT!

Excellent point.

Originally Posted by Judy

You don't need any new legislation for Judy's Plan B. The President can order economic sanctions on these countries tomorrow subject to a notice period, 10 to 30 days.

And you don't think that would be legally challenged and be injuncted for two years?

Originally Posted by Judy

What are you talking about "claims for each illegal alien", "expense we have now"? We don't have to document anything, other than the normal arrest records at the borders and ports we already have to determine the countries we're sanctioning. What are you talking about "lawsuits for each claimed illegal alien"? The sanctions aren't based on individual illegal aliens. The sanctions are countrywide based on illegal immigration from that country, not based on some "cost" per illegal alien.

So if one alien is discovered in our country, that justifies cutting off all aid to the country that person came from? "We don't have to document anything, other than the normal arrest records". So what changes? Right now illegal aliens fight us in court. That won't change. We have to vet each person we catch to verify the country they came from. I know you want them to just estimate that someone from their country is illegally our country so we can rip the aid away, but we have to catch each person to verify that they are in our country. More of Judy's fantasy!

Originally Posted by Judy

Forum rules prevent me from an appropriate response.

Cite the rule that says you can't appropriately respond!

Originally Posted by Judy

I'm sure many are armed, especially the drug smugglers, but most aren't. Most of these in the video weren't armed. The ones in charge had rifles and that's to make sure the mules don't run off with the drugs and of course to shoot an agent if they bump into one.

Most people are law abiding, so why do we need laws? Judy can justify any bad behavior!

Originally Posted by Judy

I'm sure many are armed, especially the drug smugglers, but most aren't. Most of these in the video weren't armed. The ones in charge had rifles and that's to make sure the mules don't run off with the drugs and of course to shoot an agent if they bump into one.

So you admit many are armed and ready to shoot an agent yet yesterday you said this

Originally Posted by Judy

Trump is not that person. He will never order US troops to fire into Mexico at illegal aliens and he's certainly not going to shoot 'em inside the United States.

so you admit they are ready to shoot, but we are not allowed to shoot back


You also said this in response to the discussion of what to do about the .01% who still tried to break through an armed military

Originally Posted by Judy

You people are insane. We joke around once in awhile about "just shoot 'em", but on a serious level, we do NOT promote violence against illegal aliens on this forum, now STOP IT.

So you think the military or border control should just be targets for the invaders, whose side are you really on in this invasion?

Originally Posted by jtdc

And you don't think that would be legally challenged and be injuncted for two years?

So if one alien is discovered in our country, that justifies cutting off all aid to the country that person came from? "We don't have to document anything, other than the normal arrest records". So what changes? Right now illegal aliens fight us in court. That won't change. We have to vet each person we catch to verify the country they came from. I know you want them to just estimate that someone from their country is illegally our country so we can rip the aid away, but we have to catch each person to verify that they are in our country. More of Judy's fantasy!

Do you think we should sanction a country that only has a few illegal aliens entering our country? I don't. Why do you think I would want to sanction or that a President would sanction a country where only a few illegal aliens enter our country? We already know the countries responsible for this mass illegal immigration into our country. The top 10 countries are Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Philippines, India, Korea, China, Ecuador, and Vietnam.

There is no additional expense or effort involved in determining what countries to sanction for illegal immigration. There are constant monthly arrest reports and decades of data for illegal entries. There is USCIS data for visa-overstays for Phase 2 of the sanctions.

Whatever lawsuits individual illegal aliens file against US has nothing to do with economic sanctions against their home countries. Would the home countries take the sanctions complaint to the WTO? They might, but since it's a violation by them of our domestic law and not a violation in any way of any trade agreement, then so what? We'll just pull out of the WTO altogether and tell them to take a hike, which is what I and Trump and many other Americans would like to see happen anyway for other reasons.

It's interesting though to see how hard such an easy simple no cost solution of using economic sanctions to solve such a massive problem of illegal immigration has struck some of you.

Ironic.

Originally Posted by Judy

Whatever lawsuits individual illegal aliens file against US has nothing to do with economic sanctions against their home countries.

A dodge! The sanctions are not based on lawsuits to begin with. Why do you throw that into the mix?

Originally Posted by Judy

Would the home countries take the sanctions complaint to the WTO? They might, but since it's a violation by them of our domestic law and not a violation in any way of any trade agreement, then so what?

IT IS A VIOLATION BY THE GOVERNMENT OF OF OUR DOMESTIC LAW? SO JUDY DOESN'T HOLD THE ILLEGAL ALIEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTS!

Originally Posted by jtdc

A dodge! The sanctions are not based on lawsuits to begin with. Why do you throw that into the mix?

IT IS A VIOLATION BY THE GOVERNMENT OF OF OUR DOMESTIC LAW? SO JUDY DOESN'T HOLD THE ILLEGAL ALIEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTS!

LOL!! You threw lawsuits into the mix of sanctions multiple times including in the post I responded to.

It's a violation of our domestic law by the citizens of that country. That's why the citizens are being sanctioned with no aid from or trade with the US until it stops.

It's becoming quite clear to me that you don't really want any new or creative ideas to solve the problem of illegal immigration into the United States. You prefer to stick with the traditional same o, same o, that has gotten US and kept US where we are.