Thread: E-Verify doesn't prevent many companies from hiring undocumented workers

Originally Posted by Judy

Why wouldn't you prefer to deport the illegal aliens? They're the criminals.

That too. In addition to punishing the people who employ them.

Originally Posted by Judy

That makes our employers and businesses scapegoats for everyone else's wrong-doing long before they hired someone who lied on an I-9 form with a stolen social security number who shouldn't even be in our country to begin with.

Really!? You believe a company that hires 400 illegals and 0 citizens are scapegoats for everyone else's wrong-doing?

Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders

Really!? You believe a company that hires 400 illegals and 0 citizens are scapegoats for everyone else's wrong-doing?

Exactly!

Originally Posted by Judy

Illegal aliens who come here and the bastards in DOJ, DHS, IRS, the Courts and in Congress who refuse to get them out of here and keep them out are the criminals.

Your list didn't include the one who ran a campaign promising to straighten up this mess.

Originally Posted by Judy

Is your goal of E-verify to get them to leave voluntarily, to self-deport? Is that the plan so you don't have to deport them?

We have to make their life as miserable as possible and preventing them from working helps to accomplish that goal. Will it take care of all of them? Of course not because some, such as drug traffickers, MS-13, human smugglers, criminal scammers, etc. are here primarily to prey on Americans. The only way to get rid of that crowd is through deportation and/or prison followed by deportation. Every illegal in this country is not here for the exact same reason. I firmly believe many will self-deport if we make their life here more miserable than it was in their homeland. The rest ... well ... DHS and DOJ can sort that out and deport their butt!

Our illegal immigration problem isn't a one solution will fix all kind of problem. It's more complex than that. That's why we need an entry/exit system for visa holders, Trump's promised border wall, E-Verify, an end to chain-migration, end to birthright citizenship, loophole closures on asylum cases, etc., etc. This is a multifaceted problem that requires a combination of solutions.

Originally Posted by MW

We have to make their life as miserable as possible and preventing them from working helps to accomplish that goal. Will it take care of all of them? Of course not because some, such as drug traffickers, MS-13, human smugglers, criminal scammers, etc. are here primarily to prey on Americans.

And illegals who don't have to work because they have an American citizen sugar mama or sugar daddy. But we'll eventually find them and deport their ass as well, if we implement all the things mentioned in this thread.

Originally Posted by Judy

That makes our employers and businesses scapegoats for everyone else's wrong-doing long before they hired someone who lied on an I-9 form with a stolen social security number who shouldn't even be in our country to begin with.

Also, the employers who hire them ARE the problem. They are the magnet that keeps luring illegals to come here in the first place. We need to cure the disease, not just the symptoms.

Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man

Also, the employers who hire them ARE the problem. They are the magnet that keeps luring illegals to come here in the first place. We need to cure the disease, not just the symptoms.

Well said.

Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders

]Really!? You believe a company that hires 400 illegals and 0 citizens are scapegoats for everyone else's wrong-doing?

Americans including our American-owned businesses are the victims of this problem, not criminals. If one dairy farmer hires illegal aliens, then they all have to hire illegal aliens to compete with each other, just like our manufacturers dealing with free trade treason, once one leaves and goes to Mexico or China, they all had to leave and go to Mexico or China to compete with each other.

It took a lot of wrong doing by a lot of people for those businesses to hire illegal aliens or those manufacturers to relocate to foreign countries. Did you know that under our laws, there is no law that forbids an illegal alien from stealing a job from an American worker or taking one that's unfilled? They can go to the US Department of Labor and file claims for erroneous pay and other things and the US Department of Labor will protect them and go after the business for the shortages or whatever the issue is. Isn't that crazy? It's illegal for the employer to hire you but it's not illegal for you as an illegal alien to ask for the job or take the job. Isn't that nuts? To me that's just nutzo.

Our laws set up our businesses to be the scapegoats of illegal immigration, not the Border Patrol who lets them in, the sanctuary cities who protect them, the drug cartels who own the smugglers who bring them here, the networks who make the arrangements, not the IRS who launders billions of our cash out to them in household sums of thousands of dollars a year in earned income and child care tax credits, not the hospitals who treat them, not the schools who educate them, not the 95,000 employees of the US Department of Justice responsible for deporting them but doesn't, not the 225,000 employees of the US Department of Homeland Security who are paid to keep them out, but doesn't, not the landlord who profit from renting to them, not the utility companies who profit serving them, nope, no laws against any of that.

Nope, just our businesses who hire them. If that's not a scapegoat by definition, then I don't know what would be one. Again, I'm not opposed to fines and temporary closures like for a week or so, to sort everything out and get straight, but to send them to jail when an illegal alien can kill a girl in a park and walk out free as a bird? No, I'm not for jail time of employers unless they're involved in illegal drugs or smuggling or something more than just hiring people who showed up and wanted a job when no one else was breaking their door down and their competitors were doing it and on and on and on.

I just don't see the employers as the real villains here to the extent of jail time. I see the illegal aliens as the only real villains. I don't believe in transferring a crime of a foreign national in our country in violation of US immigration to an American employer looking for workers to operate a business who hires them because they are here, in their faces, begging for jobs.

I also don't think it's a wise strategy for our efforts to solve this problem. We need businesses on our side to ever win this. Anyone who thinks we can win this issue without them doesn't understand how our system works, if we make businesses our enemies, we'll end up with the biggest amnesty in the history of the world.

Take this number, there are just over 40,000 licensed dairy operations in the United States and that's 17,000 less than a decade ago. How many of those do you think hire illegal aliens? I don't know the answer to that, but I think a lot of them or most of them hire at least some illegal aliens. They were very vocal about their situation during 2016 campaign. And 1 or 2 were shut down because of those revelations and prosecuted. So to be fair to that industry, you would have to do a raid on all of them. But that isn't how it works, they'll go after 1 or 2, shut them down, and all their fellow dairy operatives who didn't get caught just benefit from their demise and pick up their slack even though they may be hiring more illegal aliens than the one that was raided and shut down. So the result is a weird type of discrimination, because there's no fairness in it.

Illegal aliens need to be the primary if not sole target, because they are the ones causing all the problems for everyone else.

Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man

Also, the employers who hire them ARE the problem. They are the magnet that keeps luring illegals to come here in the first place. We need to cure the disease, not just the symptoms.

Illegal aliens are the disease. Everything else is just the consequence of them being here. Get them all out of here and all the problems they cause for everyone else ends and our country returns to normal.

State and local law enforcement can wrap this up in 2 years or less with authorization to do so.