Thread: Economic Ignorance in Recent H-1b Decision

... and... not patronize those same transnational monsters too.

Whenever possible. Those companies love to croon about the immense potential of 'emerging markets' and in a just world that's who they will have to settle for as customers. I just don't see how they can pay first world prices for first world profit margins on third world salaries.

Of course, things are different now than in 2000-2003. Their salaries have gone up, the dollar has fallen, they are running into talent shortgages (they ain't all whiz kids) and the difficulties of outsourcing work are better known. We Americans are a better deal these days, and some careers have been salvaged, though with a substantial loss of pay and a lowering of the career trajectory.

The trick is to stem the flood. We have at least a million white collar workers that we didn't really need, and we fired about that many of us to make room for them. I remember when the job ads started asking for 'current' experience - that meant, if you'd been laid off, sayonara from the field.

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they ain't all whiz kids)

And, one thing I can't help but notice in retrospect - those who have 'bet against' America, and Americans, in particular - had, through the progression of time and history, been proved wrong. I can't help but wonder that all these globally-minded multinationals have a rude awakening awaiting them at a later date. Maybe we should begin talking about nationalizing the largest and worst offenders...? ()

Originally Posted by PhredE

Also, the debate sidesteps the issue that largely due to big business incessant pleading for every cheaper and 'easier' labor, that many Americans have simply said, in effect, "No thanks. I'm done with that". Either the working conditions or low pay levels have driven a lot of the domestic workers out of the industry. Now, contrary to what the H-1b proponents chide "well, you just can't handle it", "you're not smart enough", etc. (yawn) - when an employer has trouble attracting workers into a field, the workers are trying to tell you something... but were the employers listening?, heck no.

I just finished my Master's degree in Information Systems from a local business school that has a good reputation but I am scared to death to go on the interviews I want to have to land a good position as a Systems Analyst. The thought of knowing what type of emotional abuse I will have to put up with from my Indian co-workers is making me lose sleep at night.

Look for governmental and quasi-governmental entitites. Few foreign workers there to deal with.

Originally Posted by PhredE

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they ain't all whiz kids)

And, one thing I can't help but notice in retrospect - those who have 'bet against' America, and Americans, in particular - had, through the progression of time and history, been proved wrong. I can't help but wonder that all these globally-minded multinationals have a rude awakening awaiting them at a later date. Maybe we should begin talking about nationalizing the largest and worst offenders...? ()

If things keep going on their present course, we are going to experience civil unrest in this country anyway.

millere: Hey, good luck. One thing that might be worth checking out, is searching for a smaller to mid-size firm that is 'home-grown'. At least that way, you can get a good feel for the operation, it's management, and what the staff is like. Other than that, I have no useful advice really.

Oh yeah, Betsy's point above about gov't and near gov't spots is good too.

I agree that unless things change abruptly (eg. as in the government beginning to represent PEOPLE, not CORPORATIONS) we are in for rough times ahead. It appears there are far more proponents of slavery than I ever thought possible. It's a shame the history of US and the suffering of millions has fallen on totally deaf ears.

Originally Posted by PhredE

I agree that unless things change abruptly (eg. as in the government beginning to represent PEOPLE, not CORPORATIONS) we are in for rough times ahead. It appears there are far more proponents of slavery than I ever thought possible. It's a shame the history of US and the suffering of millions has fallen on totally deaf ears.

Several weeks ago I wrote a couple of posts about the Agriprocessors mess and how they outsourced their human resources to illegal Mexican job shops in Texas so they could "pass the buck" (gee, we thought their paper work said they were "legal"). Anyway I was responded to with an interesting observation: did you know that in Texas many illegal under-the-table Mexicans are housed in exactly the same slave shacks that were used to hold Black slaves during the 1800's? Can you believe that? Many of these 'slave shacks' are still standing in Texas and are used to house a new class of slaves from Mexico? And we have an evil, vile President who wants this?

Wow, that's an eye-opener. My hunch is that a lot of lurkers and even some posters here might think I'm being melodramatic in using words like 'slavery' - but, I think it is entirely appropriate. There are still some capitalists that think that winning is everything and that rules are just something to go around, go under, or ignore - even if it means enslaving people. Sometimes the world really is upside-down, and I have to admit that I *almost*, well almost, but not quite, respect the common criminal more. .. oh wait, the rule-breaking capitalist *is* a criminal; ok, it's a technicality but still a valid one.... Ok, please forgive this exercise in monologue, please let the thread continue....

Originally Posted by PhredE

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they ain't all whiz kids)

And, one thing I can't help but notice in retrospect - those who have 'bet against' America, and Americans, in particular - had, through the progression of time and history, been proved wrong.

And you also know how they are "hedging their bets" by creating two sets of rules: one for American citizens and one for foreigners. In their eyes Americans are guilty of 'racism' and 'hate speech' for simply wanting to see their laws enforced.. Foreigners are 'victims' of White America; they are 'brighter' and 'hard working', we need them or our economy collapses because Americans 'can't do anything'. But if this is true, why did I catch Ford Motors denying training to American citizens and giving it to foreigners? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Isn't it really the globalists who are the "racists" and not the Americans?